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554 points bookofjoe | 87 comments | | HN request time: 0.003s | source | bottom
1. megaman821 ◴[] No.43654757[source]
As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.
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2. sundaeofshock ◴[] No.43654911[source]
I have a much different experience on Twitter. It has a much higher tolerance for racism, misogyny, gay/transphobia, and wild conspiracies. It got much worse after the election and I finally bailed on it after the inauguration. I have not missed it.
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3. sundaeofshock ◴[] No.43654922[source]
I’m bad at hints. Can you be explicit and tell us who the bad apples are?
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4. Funes- ◴[] No.43654964[source]
It figures. One's knee-deep in censorship and the other one is more or less free-for-all, so you get high levels of hostility and an extreme range of ideas respectively from the get go.
5. rcleveng ◴[] No.43654978[source]
I just looked at twitter and it seems the sentiment is similar across both platforms. I think this was more of an adobe think than a bluesky thing.
6. 63 ◴[] No.43654981[source]
I find that the extremes of hostility are worse on bluesky, but the average skeet is much less hostile. And there's just straight up fewer skeets to be angry about.
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7. megaman821 ◴[] No.43655068[source]
Bluesky has all that but just in the anti direction. I was hoping for a more absolute of not disparaging anyone based on their race, gender, or sexual preference.
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8. Molitor5901 ◴[] No.43655179[source]
I'm pretty left leaning and I don't like Bluesky. For me, it's too hostile and too much of an angry echo chamber. X is scattered wildly but I with muting I have been able to shape to get a more reasonable feed.
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9. ChocolateGod ◴[] No.43655251[source]
Likewise here, the amount of just pure made up crap/misinformation on X has definitely increased (perhaps because accounts get paid for views/engagement now) or the algorithm seems to push it more, but it's not an echo chamber.

I have at least 100 words on my X muted word list and it's just about usable.

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11. nailer ◴[] No.43657988[source]
Same here. I'd agree with many of the political positions on Bluesky but it looks like the left equivalent of what Truth Social is on the right - Bluesky recently started publishing home addresses of DOGE employees, with the intent seeming to be to target them with violence.
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12. jsight ◴[] No.43658062[source]
Yeah, I'm surprised by how many here are responding with weird Adobe rants. They posted fairly innocuous stuff, were attacked, and ultimately chose to abandon the platform as a result.

This sounds like a bigger indictment of the platform than anything to do with Adobe.

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13. newsclues ◴[] No.43658076[source]
Not surprisingly because the community was populated by people who are angry that twitter changed.

It’s a community of unhealthy social media addicts

14. _bin_ ◴[] No.43658077[source]
As is the case with most ideological echo chambers, they devolve into struggle sessions. You find the same thing happening in the niche right-wing movement sections of twitter, it's just "this person is secretly indian/jewish" instead of "this person is secretly a racist/xyzphobe".

Twitter has the advantage of a broader range so you can escape that while bluesky is almost exclusively used based on strong ideological motivation. It's raison d'etre at this point is basically and highly political so this was bound to happen.

15. doright ◴[] No.43658200[source]
So after the honeymoon with Bluesky ends, what will be the next friendlier social media platform? And after that one? Will this just keep repeating?
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16. lastofthemojito ◴[] No.43658428[source]
Being familiar only with the street slang for "skeet" and not Bluesky's relatively recent adoption of "skeet" to mean "Bluesky post", my parser really had to do some work to try to understand this sentence.
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17. jghn ◴[] No.43658450[source]
I don't understand why people struggle with either site. Follow only people you want to see. Both sites allow you to only see posts from those accounts. Problem solved.
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18. spiderice ◴[] No.43658542{3}[source]
Unless you want to follow Adobe, who were just driven out by a mob of angry people
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19. jghn ◴[] No.43658588{4}[source]
There are a lot of people I'd love to see content from on all of the platforms who aren't where I want them to be, for a variety of reasons. That's not really a great argument.
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20. maw ◴[] No.43658647{3}[source]
And what about the people who sometimes post interesting things and sometimes post distilled insanity? They're incentivized to do so.
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21. nitwit005 ◴[] No.43658690[source]
I didn't get much negativity on Twitter, and after moving the Bluesky the same is true.

The experience of a person following fantasy football stuff, and another person following politics, will be totally different, regardless of website.

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22. jghn ◴[] No.43658782{4}[source]
Do you want to follow them or not? Up to you. No one is incentivized to do anything other than post what they want and follow who they want.
23. 98codes ◴[] No.43658856{4}[source]
Then you decide if the positives outweigh the negatives and unfollow them or not.

This particular situation is why the only thing I miss from Twitter at this point is the ability to mute an account's reposts rather than the full account.

24. llm_nerd ◴[] No.43659029[source]
Bluesky currently has the kuro5hin "A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy" effect going on. People who think they claimed land first believe that they get to define the future of the service for everyone else.

It's obnoxious, and if the service truly offers a real alternative to Twitter it needs to squash these brigading groups. I get that people don't want to see the posts of brands...so don't follow them. It's incredibly simple. I don't want furry content but I don't run around the platform complaining that some do.

25. chongli ◴[] No.43659065{3}[source]
That’s deliberate. BlueSky did not want the term “skeet” being adopted but it happened anyway.
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26. fracus ◴[] No.43659158[source]
In my experience, that is completely untrue. I think it is more of "you are the company you keep" situation. Bluesky is obviously more socially liberal and therefore, IMO objectively smarter, nicer users and community. On Bluesky you have more control over your experience which makes me wonder how genuine your post is.
27. homefree ◴[] No.43659250[source]
Bluesky is the worst of old Twitter concentrated into one place. It's some weird mixture of the hall monitors of Mastodon crossed with wannabe members of the weather underground. Like a leftwing Gab full of only Kara Swisher and Taylor Lorenz types. This sort of of faux outrage at adobe is par for the course - its awful over there.

X is much more of an ideological mix.

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28. rvz ◴[] No.43659251[source]
I've seen worse. In terms of the most hostile, Mastodon takes the crown.
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30. jeffparsons ◴[] No.43659307[source]
If a new a Twitter/Bluesky replacement is to promote civil discourse, it will need to _restrict_ reach as a core feature. Which... seems antithetical to a social media platform. But as long as "enragement = engagement" holds true, each new social media platform will eventually devolve into the same kind of cesspool as its predecessors.
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31. TremendousJudge ◴[] No.43659408[source]
Maybe the people on the platform don't want it to get filled by bland corporate accounts like twitter did
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32. lukev ◴[] No.43659445[source]
This is a weird argument because Bluesky doesn't have a "feed"... by default you see only the people you follow unless you subscribe to specific other feeds.

So you followed a bunch of people you didn't like? That says more about you than the platform...

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33. lyjackal ◴[] No.43659568{3}[source]
It's more the content creators who bear the brunt of toxic rage. Who you follow doesn't solve that problem
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34. juped ◴[] No.43659639[source]
It's kinda sad to see it become Truth Social But For The Other Team.
35. bakugo ◴[] No.43659663{3}[source]
Yes, they want it to be an echo chamber for one-sided political rants instead. Which is what it is now.
36. esjeon ◴[] No.43659684[source]
The Bluesky community is left-leaning and mainly consists of early adopters - basically, a group of active idealists. It's unsurprising that they are highly hostile toward a company with a history of exploitative behavior. Additionally, the current political situation significantly affects their emotional stability, negatively.

I mean, yeah, the place is a kind of minefield these days, but I don't blame people. It just happens.

37. jghn ◴[] No.43659695{4}[source]
> the content creators

This is IMO the problem. I don't use these sites to follow "content creators". For the most part I'm following normal people who happen to say things I find interesting.

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38. doctorpangloss ◴[] No.43659724[source]
Bluesky’s users love drama.
39. pembrook ◴[] No.43659756{3}[source]
Twitter/X doesn’t have a problem with corporate accounts. They murdered reach on brand accounts in the algorithm loooong ago (mid 2010s), you basically will never see company tweets in the feed even if you follow them.

I think it’s more the fact that bluesky’s core demographic are angry political obsessives (who are angry enough about politics to join a new social network over said politics). I can’t think of a worse way to create a community of people than filtering by “I’m angry about political stuff.”

Turns out the old social norm of “don’t talk politics with neighbors” was an example of a good Chestertons fence.

40. mjmsmith ◴[] No.43659900{3}[source]
What does "the anti direction" mean? It's mean to racists?
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42. rchaud ◴[] No.43659936[source]
Since when did a damn website have to be a "platform"? Did anyone ask to chat with Time Warner on the public AOL chatrooms of the 90s? Were Digg users interested in hearing from Blockbuster in the 2000s?

Adobe could try to offer virtual "office hours" with employees helping people learn to use the software, give something back to their users. Instead they immediately treated it like another marketing channel with a formulaic and lazy engagement bait question that I'm sure they thought would work the same way it does on Twitter and Instagram.

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43. megaman821 ◴[] No.43660001{4}[source]
That it gives no-one pause to make disparaging remarks against white males, and violent allusions towards the outgroup are tolerated. That is not the vibe I want to see. I would hope that, starting fresh, there would be more cultural backlash against racial and gendered stereotypes and violence.
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44. rchaud ◴[] No.43660010{4}[source]
Our deepest condolences. Losing a marketing bullhorn is always difficult.
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45. whimsicalism ◴[] No.43660101[source]
frankly in some ways the audience for bluesky is more similar to HN, but in like a bad way.
46. Alupis ◴[] No.43660117[source]
People will just go back to Twitter/X, again, because despite all the falling-sky predictions it remains the single most important social media platform of our day. Governments around the world announce actual world-changing news on it - kind of all you need to know.
47. jacobgkau ◴[] No.43660175{5}[source]
I don't think they were saying it's a problem for people following content creators. It's more a problem for content creators, because they usually want the greatest reach possible, so they want to be on platforms that people use, which requires them to put up with the emotional swingings of the platforms' userbases.

If you want to say you don't care about having content creators on your platform, that's at least a coherent take. But you still have to think about the business models of the platforms that keep them around-- short of collecting payments from every ordinary user, there needs to be buy-in from someone wanting reach, whether that's corporate accounts, individual content creators, or someone else. And do you actually know all of those "normal people who happen to say things you find interesting" in real life, or did you find some of them online, i.e. they're basically influencers/content creators with you as an audience member?

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48. karn97 ◴[] No.43660179[source]
I got an extension to hide every blue check user, twitter is wonderful nkw
49. jacobgkau ◴[] No.43660181{5}[source]
The argument is that this is now part of that list of reasons. Why acknowledge a problem but disregard one of the causes?
50. scarab92 ◴[] No.43660188{3}[source]
Platforms which drive away normal users with unwarranted hate become increasingly concentrated with toxic people over time.

If bluesky don’t find a way to escape this spiral of driving away normal people and attracting toxic people it’s going to become a sort of left-wing 4chan.

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51. rchaud ◴[] No.43660385{4}[source]
Have a peek at the Facebook comments on Adobe's account. The sentiment is the same. We live in an economy where customers have no outlet to have their concerns heard, while companies set up shop on communal forums to blast their bullhorn. Why should communication be one way?

It's interesting that you see this as a moderation issue for Bluesky rather than an opportunity for a billion dollar brand to rethink the way they communicate online.

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52. jghn ◴[] No.43660525{6}[source]
That is indeed what I'm saying. I treat social media more like I treated Usenet back in the day. To me that's a superior model than the influencer model.
53. sandspar ◴[] No.43660692{5}[source]
Saying that BlueSky resembles Facebook comments isn't exactly a glowing review.
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54. rchaud ◴[] No.43660726{6}[source]
I'm addressing the assertion that mean comments will scare off 'normal people'. It hasn't yet on Facebook, Reddit, Instagram etc. Brand pages get blasted everywhere, it comes with the territory.
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55. sandspar ◴[] No.43660741{7}[source]
Facebook has size and inertia. Bluesky is small so needs high status early adopters. Such people have reputations to maintain so will avoid toxic drama like Bluesky. The sites are in different life stages.
56. throwme_123 ◴[] No.43660933[source]
Yes, the elephant in the room is Bluesky itself. In my experience, it's way more toxic than Twitter/X.
57. thatnerdyguy ◴[] No.43660944{3}[source]
But...restricted reach is exactly how Bluesky works. People you follow show up in your feed, and only them. You can look at other feeds that are not as restricted, but you are making that choice.
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58. thatnerdyguy ◴[] No.43660951[source]
My X experience was far more partisan than Bluesky. Not being able to get away from seeing the latest thoughts of user numero uno was also a turn off.
59. thatnerdyguy ◴[] No.43660958{5}[source]
Then you block those people, and never see their stupid opinions again.
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60. cosmic_cheese ◴[] No.43661057[source]
I don’t use either lately because I’ve found that to be better for mental health overall, but to me it seemed that Bluesky was generally better about staying “on track” when it comes to showing relevant things, once trained. Xitter really, really likes to veer off course and so much as stopping scrolling for a second while an undesired post is on screen is enough for it to start showing more of the same type.

Bsky doesn’t have blue check replies which is a major point in its favor too. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worthwhile blue check reply, it’s like if one purposefully dredged up the worst YouTube video comments they could find and pinned them at the top.

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61. devmor ◴[] No.43661119[source]
The last time I logged into my twitter account (which I use maybe once or twice a year to post about tech or complain to a customer service account) the first thing I saw was a paid ad espousing white nationalism and The Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

I have a very hard time believing that Bluesky is more hostile than Twitter.

62. Henchman21 ◴[] No.43661138{4}[source]
How is the Adobe corporate account a "normal user"? Define "normal people"?
63. spiderice ◴[] No.43661439{5}[source]
Ok I guess I'll simplify the point for you: You can't follow the "people you want to see" if the platform is so hostile that the people you want to see are driven from it.

My comment wasn't just about Adobe

64. huhkerrf ◴[] No.43662745[source]
I've heard it described as Digital Canada, which I think is just the perfect description.
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65. vitorgrs ◴[] No.43662748{3}[source]
There is a Discovery feed by default for sure.
66. sph ◴[] No.43663891[source]
X is a cesspit. Bluesky is a cult and echo chamber. Both should be avoided if you care about your mental sanity.

Social media was a catastrophic mistake.

67. stafferxrr ◴[] No.43663912{4}[source]
I don't think it possible with the the twitter/bluesky UI to not become dominated by grandstanding, attention starved, narcissists.

The same way a photo sharing app is going to become dominated by attention starved, narcissists posting sexy photos.

Normal users just don't have the same motivation to post.

It is like complaining rotting meat is attracting flies.

68. sph ◴[] No.43663942{5}[source]
Being intolerant of soulless rent-seeking corporations doesn’t turn you into a cool person. It just shows you are intolerant.

There must be a name for the phenomenon when a minority escapes persecution and hate, and upon reaching their promised land become intolerant and hateful of any outside group.

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69. bigyabai ◴[] No.43665357{4}[source]
Oh no! Imagine if all the corporate advertisers left our social media platform!

That would be like Hacker News but without all the shills using it. Practically unrecognizable, all the "normal people" would be gone.

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70. cma ◴[] No.43665491[source]
Maybe it shouldn't have been surprising after Democrats removed abolishing the death penalty from their party platform, but all the Mangione stuff on bluesky was pretty sad to see.
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71. gs17 ◴[] No.43665954{3}[source]
There's a default feed, and it's awful. Part of why I gave up on the site, it never seemed to "get" me, their features for tuning it don't work, and the alternative feeds weren't what I wanted at all.
72. gs17 ◴[] No.43666271{3}[source]
> but to me it seemed that Bluesky was generally better about staying “on track” when it comes to showing relevant things, once trained. Xitter really, really likes to veer off course and so much as stopping scrolling for a second while an undesired post is on screen is enough for it to start showing more of the same type.

What is your "track"? Bluesky seemed to be behaving exactly like you described Twitter, and the only explanation I could come up with was that the process of clicking on a post to block/mute the account (which is what I was told to do to curate my feed) was considered enough engagement that my feed should be more and more of what I don't want any of.

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73. chownie ◴[] No.43666335{6}[source]
Nah, it makes gp cool as fuck actually.
74. gs17 ◴[] No.43666373{4}[source]
Bluesky has the "Discover" feed that is definitely not only people you follow (sometimes, when it feels like it, they'll be on top of it).
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75. 65 ◴[] No.43666708[source]
Hello username neighbor
76. zifpanachr23 ◴[] No.43667288{3}[source]
Lmao
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78. smj-edison ◴[] No.43667324[source]
See A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy: https://web.archive.org/web/20080708220307/http://shirky.com...
79. fullshark ◴[] No.43667438[source]
Well yeah Bluesky is predominantly left wing, and the left wing is angry right now.
80. cosmic_cheese ◴[] No.43667516{4}[source]
For me at least, Bsky acted that initially but it tapered off after a certain threshold of training. After that it was pretty solid.

For Xitter it didn’t matter how much I trained it, eventually it’d insert something I didn’t want to see and even the slightest hint of engagement would push my feed that direction. This could happen even after multiple weeks of training.

81. jeroenhd ◴[] No.43667522[source]
So far, Bluesky hasn't been inserting alt-right nutjobs into my feed like Twitter has.

Bluesky seems to focus on curating your own feed, to the point where mass blocklists will block hundreds or thousands of accounts, and not every blocklist is reliable. The "block first, ask questions later" approach is very freeing and I've been practicing it on social media long before it gained traction on Bluesky.

I expect the platform will be very painful for people who believe everyone should be subjected to their opinion (the people who will cry censorship because Reddit shadow-banned them). Good riddance, I'd say; they can be happy on Twitter with the rest of their kind.

On average, my experience has been a lot better. I'm guessing that's mostly because I had to fight and subdue Twitter to exclusively show me content from the people I follow, combined with social media's general attraction to alt-right nutjobs (and of course, Twitter's owner being an alt-right nutjob doesn't help either).

82. int_19h ◴[] No.43669140[source]
Yes, because angry rants and lynch mobs have an inherent advantage when it comes to which content spreads better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

83. alpaca128 ◴[] No.43669241{3}[source]
If there's no feed there is no way to see any posts of people you might want to follow. So I highly doubt there isn't any feed.

YouTube did this for a while, up until a few months ago if you weren't logged in you'd literally just get an empty page and a search bar at the top as it wouldn't recommend any videos at all. That was temporary for a reason.

84. sph ◴[] No.43670693{6}[source]
Funny, this is exactly what people had to do on X. So much for a better, healthier platform huh?
85. AlexeyBelov ◴[] No.43671920{5}[source]
Truly an awful thought.
86. AlexeyBelov ◴[] No.43671955[source]
Mario Bros. did nothing wrong
87. thatnerdyguy ◴[] No.43709759{5}[source]
Correct. But you choose to look at that feed. It's not the only one available to you. I have like 6 different feeds at any one time.