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1245 points mriguy | 88 comments | | HN request time: 1.244s | source | bottom
1. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306123[source]
IMO, the fee is the wrong thing that needs adjusting. It's the salary that should be adjusted. The minimum salary for an H1B should be $200k. It's something like 50k right now which is ridiculous especially with all the restrictions an applicant is under. It both suppresses wages and abuses the worker.
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2. dbish ◴[] No.45306145[source]
Why not both?
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3. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306195[source]
Because I don't really want to penalize a company for bringing in foreign labor. If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person.

What I care about is the current system isn't being used to find hard to find labor, it's used to bring in cheap labor in an abusive situation.

We as a nation are really better off if we bring in the best in the world to work here with a cushy salary.

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4. nine_k ◴[] No.45306221[source]
Can every industry pay $200k? I bet software, AI, or finance would be okay paying $200k, while e.g. hardware, aerospace, or biotech would have a harder time.

The idea of requiring a high salary is reasonable, but I'd make it rather e.g. 120% of the median salary in a particular industry.

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5. dbish ◴[] No.45306226{3}[source]
The fee should help ensure that only higher paying jobs or truly hard to find roles would be worth paying for as well (not that this is the right option, but playing it out). You would gladly pay 100k if the role already is high paying, it will be a small fraction of the cost, you won’t do that if it’s a couple year salary. It will also help curb abuse through multiple applications. I agree hard to find jobs for highly talented people (who are paid well) should be brought in.
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6. secondcoming ◴[] No.45306228[source]
Having a $200k minimum salary will just see outsourcing to Asia / Eastern Europe.
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7. wahnfrieden ◴[] No.45306250[source]
You may have policy opinions but what would incentivize the current admin to require more money given to foreign workers vs keeping wages low (which also helps suppress wages for non-foreign worker peers industry-wide) while collecting more fees for federal use?
8. wahnfrieden ◴[] No.45306260[source]
If they can pay a $100k fee, they can pay a similarly higher wage instead
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9. waynesonfire ◴[] No.45306261[source]
Why is that a problem? Thats how the program should work, to recruit talent wherever it's found.
10. MangoToupe ◴[] No.45306267[source]
That's going to happen regardless.
11. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306276[source]
Who would have a harder time? The company that wants to bring in employees? Sure. But I'm also sure that the top experts would be lining up to take such a job. The companies wouldn't struggle to find someone abroad.

The percentage could be reasonable, but I think it's too easily gamed. You just know the company would try and say they are bringing in entry level people for whatever they want and use whatever lowest median they could find. There needs to be a fairly significant minimum salary to avoid such monkey business.

An H1B job should be cushy. Otherwise, the company should simply raise salaries to find local workers.

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12. Jcampuzano2 ◴[] No.45306283[source]
Dare I say - If you're desperate for skilled workers, they should probably be highly compensated due to simple supply and demand.

If you can't find somebody skilled enough here to work for 200k or less, then you should probably be paying 200k or more since you're looking for a role that is niche and low supply.

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13. abirch ◴[] No.45306287{3}[source]
This makes sense if H1-Bs are about lack of talent instead of cheap labor.
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14. llm_nerd ◴[] No.45306295{3}[source]
>If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person

It was never, ever that they "can't find someone".

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15. leopoldj ◴[] No.45306296{3}[source]
Multiple registrations are being filed for the same person in order to game the system. This is discussed in some details in a USCIS report [1]. The increased application fee is presumably to stem that practice.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

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16. ericmcer ◴[] No.45306297[source]
Is it too complex to just look at the companies taxes and be like... "Hey you are paying H1B workers 25% less than their peers. You get hit with a fine".

If you couldn't undercut H1B salaries there is little incentive to use them except for their desired purpose (you can't find any local workers).

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17. consumer451 ◴[] No.45306329[source]
Since we have relatively reliable economic data on median income per industry, it would be really stupid not to use that data in a formula such as the one you suggested.

To go further, I believe there’s good data on cost of living, geographically. It would probably be wise to use that in the formula as well, so as not to disadvantage smaller areas, where cost-of-living and salaries are lower.

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18. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306336{4}[source]
Well, again, I don't really care about prioritizing local hires. The 100k fee really only penalizes the company from hiring abroad.

I'd much rather push everything into the salary of the person being hired. Both because it ends up raising the median salary for local workers and because it stimulates the local economy where that person is brought in. It's also a yearly fee. I think there's value in getting a very capable person working in your company and having a high salary is one way to make such roles highly competitive. A highly capable person will ultimately make everyone they work with more capable.

19. rs186 ◴[] No.45306340[source]
The nurse that helped save your life at ER might be on H1B getting paid $80k a year.
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20. OkayPhysicist ◴[] No.45306350[source]
Even paid identically, a company might prefer H1Bs for retention purposes. Having an indentured serf who's difficult for other companies to hire and is at constant risk of deportation if they lose their job is a winning prospect for the worst companies.
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21. victorbjorklund ◴[] No.45306364{4}[source]
If country has 10 qualified people but 15 positions to fill you cant find it by just hiring in the country. Then you just end up with a circle where the people move around.
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22. curt15 ◴[] No.45306367[source]
Is there a special tax on income generated by off-shore workers? That would be the software analogue of tariffs on physical imports.
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23. jpadkins ◴[] No.45306418[source]
the counterfactual is 'is there an equally qualified nurse who didn't get the position?' There is a lot of under-employment for highly qualified US citizens.
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24. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306423{4}[source]
Honestly, with a much higher minimum salary I don't see a reason why the cap couldn't simply be eliminated removing the need to play such games.
25. dmix ◴[] No.45306424{3}[source]
The opposite, there's a US corporate tax loophole for having operations overseas.

https://thefactcoalition.org/tariffs-manufacturing-tax-break...

26. loverofhumanz ◴[] No.45306425{3}[source]
"If a company can't find someone for a specific job or role then I don't care if they go abroad to find that person."

You're believing and repeating the propaganda. The H1B was sold to Americans as for this purpose and then very deliberately turned into a loophole for importing massive amounts of foreign labor.

How silly is it to accept the idea that Big Tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Tesla are not be able to hire Americans for any role they want. They're the richest companies on the planet!

These companies use the H1B to increase their labor supply, suppress wages, and gain indentured workers.

If they couldn't cheat by importing cheaper foreign labor they would have to compete against each other much more than they do for American workers.

This is all about big companies rigging the system. They do not care if it's good or bad for America, the foreign workers, or anyone else. It's simple greed.

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27. firstplacelast ◴[] No.45306456{3}[source]
It also prevents wages from rising, can't find anymore local talent at 80K/year so you hire H1B at that wage. If that didn't happen, wages would rise until they found someone local. I think something like equal pay and then a 10-20% fee that is funneled into american education/up-skilling efforts.
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28. cogman10 ◴[] No.45306468[source]
That nurse may have just done their 6th 12h shift as well. Which they have to do or risk deportation.
29. fred_is_fred ◴[] No.45306493[source]
It's not in this article but in others that this will be addressed.

"The proposal would increase the wage floor for H-1B visa recipients from $60,000 to $150,000, eliminate the Optional Practical Training (OPT) program, and replace the current lottery-based selection process with a highest-bidder system."

EDIT: This is a proposal by 1 senator - not Trump. https://www.newsweek.com/h-1b-visa-change-proposal-2132484

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30. BobbyJo ◴[] No.45306496[source]
A great way to circumvent this is to build a large headquarters in an undesirable location. "No American software engineers are applying for my job in <random midwest town where I will be the only software employeer>! I need H1bs!"
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31. drdec ◴[] No.45306525[source]
I would appreciate some links if you have them
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32. aaronnw2 ◴[] No.45306558[source]
Maybe more talented Americans would become nurses if the pay met the demand.
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33. cyberax ◴[] No.45306561{3}[source]
Because there aren't enough "equally qualified nurses".

> There is a lot of under-employment for highly qualified US citizens.

No, there isn't. Even with the current AI mess, the unemployment for highly-qualified software engineers is 2.8%: https://www.ciodive.com/news/june-jobs-report-comptia-data-I...

The AI is now decimating the jobs for the recent CS graduates.

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34. davorak ◴[] No.45306596{3}[source]
> To go further, I believe there’s good data on cost of living, geographically.

I like the goal of making sure visa works are paid well for where they live.

I would not want to restrict the visa worker geographically though. Or alternatively I am unsure about the overhead of tracking the location visa holders and enforcing salary changes.

Might also have unintended knock on effect of encouraging job growth in low cost of living areas.

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35. jpadkins ◴[] No.45306599{4}[source]
under-employment != unemployment. I carefully selected my words. And you switched from nurses to highly-qualified engineers.

qualified nurses are having to get jobs at retail, etc to survive. For some sectors, it's importing cheap labor (aka wage suppression).

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36. fred_is_fred ◴[] No.45306620[source]
This article implies the minimum will be tripled. https://www.newsweek.com/h-1b-visa-change-proposal-2132484

EDIT: This is a proposal by 1 senator - not Trump.

37. rs186 ◴[] No.45306629{3}[source]
We know that's not going to happen.

What now?

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38. llm_nerd ◴[] No.45306634{5}[source]
Yes, I also can make up imaginary math. 6 is bigger than 3. But 9 is less than 12.

There are extraordinarily few roles handed out to H1Bs where there aren't enormous numbers of domestic options. Indeed, by far the biggest users of H1Bs in tech are shitty consulting firms like Cognizant, Infosys and Tata doing absolute garbage, low skill development.

Yes, there are exceptions. There are truly unique talents in the AI space, for instance. Not someone to build Yet Another agent, but someone who actually understands the math. They are extraordinarily rare in that program. And for those exceptional talents, a $100K fee would be completely worth it. But they aren't going to pay it for an army of garbage copy-paste consultant heads.

In actual reality it's just a way to push down wages by forcing Americans to compete with the developing world in their own country. In Canada we have "TFWs" filling the same role. It is a laughably unjustified, massively abusive program.

39. abakker ◴[] No.45306680{3}[source]
it is very difficult to determine this. Companies that do h1Bs are all multinational, so they can locate dev offshore and just say they did it internally. There's also the reality that even if you go out and try to evaluate the revenue that comes from IT, you basically can't get clean attribution even if you want to. many H1Bs are not working on customer facing product, but internal projects and that makes treating things like application maintenance or service desk pretty difficult to calculate for ultimate revenue outcome.
40. aianus ◴[] No.45306760{4}[source]
They pay $150k for a foreign nurse and attract the best foreign nurses instead of the cheapest.
41. ApolloFortyNine ◴[] No.45306772[source]
The entire market works through supply and demand. The basic idea is if you can't find someone willing to work for $x an hour you have to raise x until you find someone.

The h1bs are often used to abuse that system by just importing someone willing to work for x, with the added bonus of it being very hard for them to ever leave your company.

42. oytis ◴[] No.45306777{4}[source]
US has the highest salaries for software engineers in the world. If this is what suppressed salaries look like, then what do you think they should be paying? I think if the labour pool is further restricted by measures like this one, it can only lead to companies doubling down on opening R&D offices abroad.
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43. fred_is_fred ◴[] No.45306835{3}[source]
Done above but that's a senate proposal. Sorry for the confusion.
44. scheme271 ◴[] No.45306913{3}[source]
There's also a bunch of organizations that are desperate and can't pay. E.g. a lot of rural and VA hospitals are staffed by H1B physicians. A rural hospital in the middle of Idaho won't attract a cardiologist through salary (i.e. the 500k/yr they can make in cities) and probably won't be able to afford a 100k application fee to get one. Also for lots of researchers and post-docs, 100k is more than their annual salary.

This fee is a great way to ensure that there's very little medical services available to rural populations and to help kill science in the US among other things.

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45. somanyphotons ◴[] No.45306955{3}[source]
It might be that in that industry, paying someone the $200k might mean the position doesn't make sense compared to the value delivered, and that you should instead open up another offshore office
46. fogzen ◴[] No.45306997[source]
IMO the minimum salary should be $0 and Americans should be free to hire whoever they want, without paying a fee and asking permission from the government. Non-citizens should be subject to the same minimum wage and workplace regulations as everywhere else. Whoever wants to come to America should be able to freely come, treated the same as anyone else.

But that would be a free market that respected human rights, and Americans don't want that! Equality? Freedom? That's just marketing!

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47. nine_k ◴[] No.45307018{3}[source]
This is why I say about the median salary across a branch of industry. A company is free to bring in anyone they want, but not free to pay them entry-level salary then. They should rather pay entry-level salary to local folks, e.g. recent graduates. The point is to bring above-average workers from abroad, as you say.

I don't think it's easy to game the median number, or the third quartile number if you prefer. Unless the salary distribution is severely bimodal, it should work reasonably.

48. bamboozled ◴[] No.45307049{5}[source]
Hmmm, so a nurse can come from any country with any level of English and work in a US hospital without re-certification? There is a smell to this claim…
49. seb1204 ◴[] No.45307069{3}[source]
We know that the US is not the only country with shortage in healthcare workers. Most countries with an ageing population face this.
50. woah ◴[] No.45307107[source]
The H1B program should be scrapped and replaced with a program where anyone (who passes some background check) can pay $100k a year for a green card
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51. seanmcdirmid ◴[] No.45307129{4}[source]
> Also for lots of researchers and post-docs, 100k is more than their annual salary.

Don't post docs usually come over on J-1s (if they aren't using practical training)?

52. seanmcdirmid ◴[] No.45307155{4}[source]
Eventually robots. Seriously, automation can eventually do a lot to make each nurse way more productive than they are.
53. Avicebron ◴[] No.45307228{4}[source]
There are plenty of first-rate medical schools in the US, it's very possible to increase the supply of qualified doctors to re-balance. Yes it will probably mean a similar scenario where doctors are paid somewhat less than they have been previously, but hey, look how bad engineering has gotten these past 20-something years relative to where it once was as a comparable profession to medicine.
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54. DragonStrength ◴[] No.45307294{5}[source]
Exactly. The difference is doctors were able to cap the number of doctors graduated, and now we have a shortage. Welp, I know the solution to that.
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55. DragonStrength ◴[] No.45307307{3}[source]
As my manager at Amazon once told me, “Amazon prefers H1Bs because they take more abuse.”
56. selimthegrim ◴[] No.45307376{3}[source]
Didn’t IBM try this with Dubuque?
57. Braxton1980 ◴[] No.45307515[source]
Rich drug dealers from corrupt countries rejoice! your green card is in the mail
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58. bigfatkitten ◴[] No.45307572{4}[source]
> E.g. a lot of rural and VA hospitals are staffed by H1B physicians.

Doctors, pilots and other genuinely essential professions are well covered by a number of other visa categories, such as EB-2.

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59. bigfatkitten ◴[] No.45307660{4}[source]
This already happens. One of the ways of qualifying for a National Interest Waiver for doctors, for example is by agreeing to work for some time in a designated underserved area.
60. mancerayder ◴[] No.45307730[source]
Do we know what percentage of H1B's are NOT in the tech industry?
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61. woah ◴[] No.45307750{3}[source]
That's why you've got to pass the background check. It doesn't seem any more prone to abuse than the existing H1B program.
62. anigbrowl ◴[] No.45307810[source]
All things like this should be percentages/ratios. The idea of using $ amounts in legislation and regulation is fundamentally foolish.
63. cogman10 ◴[] No.45307823{4}[source]
I'm from Idaho and grew up in rural Idaho. My mother was a nurse for such a hospital.

Rural hospitals are lucky to have any doctor on staff let alone a cardiologist. They are mostly staffed by nurses for quick patch-up work and life flights to major medical centers.

H1B doesn't solve the problem of poor communities getting poor healthcare. Frankly, it costs too much to become a doctor which limits where doctors can be employed. Plenty would like to work rural, but not with $500,000 in student loans. And no, that's no joke. I have a nephew going to medical school in Idaho and that's what his loans are.

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64. cogman10 ◴[] No.45307845{6}[source]
The cost of becoming an MD is astronomical. I have a nephew currently studying for it and he's looking at $500,000 in student loans. For a school in idaho of all places.

Part of the shortage is also because very few people can afford to become doctors.

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65. nosianu ◴[] No.45307941{4}[source]
I just read a thread earlier today in the medical-professionals /r/medicine group of reddit that had a lot of participation from medical people:

"My rural patients are so much more insufferable than my urban ones"

https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1nkb8f9/my_rural_...

It seems that the reasons for missing doctors are... complex.

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67. danenania ◴[] No.45308527[source]
If the non-citizen worker can't change jobs as easily as an American can, you still don't really have freedom.
68. cyberax ◴[] No.45308707{5}[source]
The same applies to nurses. The nurse shortage has been basically non-stop since 80-s: https://nursejournal.org/articles/the-us-nursing-shortage-st...
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69. kashunstva ◴[] No.45308904{5}[source]
> it's very possible to increase the supply of qualified doctors to re-balance.

In many cases, the rebalancing that is needed is from subspecialties to community based primary care in rural and other underserved areas. Some new medical schools appeared in the 1970’s to address the need for more family medicine docs. What happened was completely predictable… more subspecialists. Graduates follow the money trail when choosing residencies and fellowships.

70. sigwinch ◴[] No.45308912{3}[source]
Nurses would be TN or in the past H-1C.
71. kashunstva ◴[] No.45309040{5}[source]
> My rural patients are so much more insufferable than my urban ones…

I retired from medicine, having spent my career at a well-known institution in the upper midwest of the U.S. Over the course of my tenure there, I took care of patients from all parts of the world, all walks of life. Some of my most cherished patients hailed from rural farm communities. Whatever that commenter’s issues might be, this doesn’t line up with my experience at all. The work of the physician is to tailor their work to meet the needs of the patient by understanding their needs in ways that may be difficult to discern through ways other than empathic understanding.

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72. trashface ◴[] No.45309068{4}[source]
The MD shortage is entirely artificial - limited by the number of taxpayer-funded residency slots, itself a result of federal congressional action (or inaction). You may ask, why is the taxpayer on the hook for resident training, when there already oceans worth of government and citizen money flowing into healthcare? Because the healthcare industry lobbied for it.
73. scheme271 ◴[] No.45309094{5}[source]
I don't think the EB-2 is an alternative. If the applicant is outside the US, the process takes ~3 years to get the applicant into the US and up to 4-12 years if the applicant is Chinese or Indian.

I don't think the EB-2 process allows the applicant to stay within the US while waiting for the priority date to become current so staying in the US and working during that 3-12 year period won't work without another visa type.

74. scheme271 ◴[] No.45309134{6}[source]
Except for the DOE student loan programs just capped loans for med school to 200k lifetime so unless students are fairly wealthy, they're going to find it hard to become a doctor.
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75. mavelikara ◴[] No.45309827[source]
> It's something like 50k right now which is ridiculous

It is ridiculous. Do you have a citation for the $50K number?

76. wahnfrieden ◴[] No.45309933{4}[source]
That's what they're supposed to be about. OP proposed a way to put that into practice. Of course it is abused for cheap labor
77. 8note ◴[] No.45310227{4}[source]
this is also believing and repeating the propaganda, just a different propaganda.

and entirely different propaganda is that without being able to hire so many people constantly, the work just doesnt happen, and companies downsize to save money rather than grow to make more money.

a greedier facebook doesnt dump a ton of money into VR or ai glasses.

78. mrheosuper ◴[] No.45310599{3}[source]
Isn't that Trump golden card ?. Pay $5mil and boom, welcome to the US, rich drug dealer.
79. nosianu ◴[] No.45311062{6}[source]
It is not about that one commenter, I would not have posted it for a single anecdote. I read through most of the comments. While there are voices like yours, the many people having similar things to say as the OP, and what exactly they say, DO make it sound like they have something interesting to say. Given the quality of many of the comments there, I don't think simply ignoring it with a counter-example is correct.
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80. DragonStrength ◴[] No.45311440{7}[source]
There are no empty slots for med school in America. We turn qualified kids away.
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82. parimal7 ◴[] No.45311753{7}[source]
Reddit and internet forums have a bias for negative anecdotes.
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83. breitling ◴[] No.45312485[source]
What if they're bringing the average salary down for everyone else because they can, thanks to h1b?
84. nosianu ◴[] No.45313185{8}[source]
Do you have any proof or even just actual argument whatsoever that the very specific thread I linked to has any such alleged problems? Did you actually even bother to read the many comments there? Unlike your single-phrase blanket statement they are actually quite thoughtful. You could learn a thing or to on Internet discussions from that thread.

There was no prediction or conclusion made whatsoever, it was a number of for the Internet quite high quality personal observations. If you are unable or unwilling to accept the personal observations of those people, here doctors, then the issue is on your side.

We also know that there indeed is a significant difference in culture, we can see that in elections and elsewhere. That too is a "known bias", which you also ignore.

For example:

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/the-electoral-coll...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S07430...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban%E2%80%93rural_political_...

So differences in general are real, and you cannot simply dismiss any anecdotes as "bias", especially since there never was a claim for that thread to be anything more than that.

This divide is also not the same all over the globe, the US may be more extreme (example: https://www.uva.nl/shared-content/uva/en/news/news/2024/03/t... -- "Compared to the US, UK and Canada, overall levels of urban-rural electoral divides are still substantially lower in most European countries, due to centrist parties attracting support from both urban and rural areas."). That too has some interesting comments showing this in that thread, with the bad anecdotes coming mostly from US doctors.

85. czl ◴[] No.45313610{5}[source]
The question to ask is why it costs so much to become a doctor in the USA vs other countries and then work to address that.

A serious problem should not be treated with a band-aid and if you think a band-aid is ok do not be surprised the problem gets worse.

86. czl ◴[] No.45313730{4}[source]
Wages must rise to simulate local supply. If instead a foreign worker is hired and wages do not rise the local supply is not stimulated and the foreign worker being a short term solution causes a growing long-term problem: a growing inadequate local supply of high skilled labor.

And if foreign workers are a "better deal" because they take more abuse (due to terms of their immigration) this further disincentives fair competition and makes the long-term problem larger.

87. czl ◴[] No.45313784{6}[source]
Long term shortages are evidence of supply controls or price controls. If nurse compensation was allowed to rise to its natural level the shortages would solve themselves. High compensation pulls people into a profession. Suppressing compensation with imported labor cures a short term problem but creates a bigger long term problem.
88. czl ◴[] No.45313888[source]
> Whoever wants to come to America should be able to freely come, treated the same as anyone else.

So just open USA borders to anyone that passes screening (security / health / etc)?

What about gov subsidized welfare / healthcare / education / ...? Would you end all that? If not end it how would you handle the situation with current citizens vs the influx of foreigners who will expect these things be provided for them? And if those who show up start to vote for communism or some other ism that you do not like what will you do?