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1034 points deryilz | 84 comments | | HN request time: 1.494s | source | bottom
1. labrador ◴[] No.44544639[source]
I'd gladly pay for YouTube without ads if I trusted that it would remain ad free, but the track record from various companies on this is not good.
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2. iLoveOncall ◴[] No.44544646[source]
So pay now and stop paying if they introduce ads? It's not like it's a lifetime subscription.

I've been paying for it for a year+ for my girlfriend who was watching more ads than content and we've never seen ads since.

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3. naikrovek ◴[] No.44544655[source]
I pay for YouTube premium for my family and there haven’t been any injected ads at all. Only the ones that the video themselves have in, which are also very annoying.

I can’t speak for the future, but I’ve had this for probably 5 years and I haven’t seen a single ad, only the videos that I’ve asked to see.

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4. Karsteski ◴[] No.44544660[source]
I tried paying for YouTube premium then they fucked around by not giving me all the features I paid for when I was visiting another country. There's no winning with these people.
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5. labrador ◴[] No.44544663[source]
That's good to know. I was hoping for a reply like yours. I will subscribe. YouTube is an amazing resource for human kind and I agree those of us who can afford it should pay to support it.
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6. ProllyInfamous ◴[] No.44544691[source]
If you simply add a `-` (en-dash) between the `t` & 2nd `u` in the URL, your viewing experience automatically skips all external ads, without login/premium.

Syntax: www.yout-ube.com/watch?v=XqZsoesa55w

This also works for playlists, and auto-repeats.

edit: is this getting downvoted because it works and people are worried this service might disappear should this bypass become too popular..? Just curious.

7. j45 ◴[] No.44544696[source]
Youtube premium has remained adfree as far as I know.

Best to try it out yourself. I can't watch Youtube with Ads ever anymore.

If a 100% Ad-free youtube premium at the current price point ever went away, something would have to change about the ads.

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8. j45 ◴[] No.44544702[source]
Same experience.

The family plan is nice to share with family to reduce how much everyone's exposed to ads.

In-Video sponsorships are a pain, sometimes they are chaptered out enough and can be skipped.

If I could pay for an ad-free google search I probably would. Off the shelf, not doing API calls.

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9. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44544706[source]
Paying to avoid ads just makes your attention even more valuable to them. Always block them unconditionally and without any payment.

Ads are a violation of the sanctity of our minds. They are not entitled to our attention. It's not currency to pay for services with.

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10. jamesfmilne ◴[] No.44544736[source]
I've been paying for YouTube premium for probably 2 years now. Never had any inserted ads. Only the "this video is sponsored by" stuff, which you can just skip over.

I can't possibly go back to non-Premium YouTube, and if they mess around with Premium I'll probably be moving on from YouTube.

11. lpcvoid ◴[] No.44544739[source]
Nah, Firefox with ublock origin is better than giving money to google.
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12. luoc ◴[] No.44544753[source]
Can you elaborate a bit? Why would that make my attention more valuable than other's?
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13. j45 ◴[] No.44544755[source]
Totally, there's not a lot of places to vote with your dollars to get rid of interruptions like Ads, and also get back a lot of time of your life.
14. tyre ◴[] No.44544786{3}[source]
If you are a paying subscriber, you are self-identifying as (likely) a higher net-worth. The problem for ad platforms allowing paid opt-out is that the most valuable users leave the network.

Then they have to go to advertisers and say, “advertise on our network where all the wealthier people are not.” A brand like Tiffany’s or Rolex (both huge advertisers) aren’t going to opt into that.

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15. stefan_ ◴[] No.44544799[source]
They rolled out the Chrome "kill adblockers" update globally then unleashed the new wave of YouTube "anti-adblock" a month later. While in a literal losing court case thats suggesting Chrome be split out from Google as a whole. They must be so confident nothing can touch them.
16. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44544815{3}[source]
Because by paying you are demonstrating you have more than enough disposable income to waste on their extortion. You're paying for the privilege of segmenting yourself into the richer echelons of the market. You're basically doing their marketing job for them and paying for the privilege.

At some point some shareholder value maximizing CEO is going to sit down and notice just how much money he's leaving on the table by not advertising to paying customers like you. It's simply a matter of time.

Take a third option. Don't pay them and block their ads. Block their data collection too. It's your computer, you are in control.

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17. theoreticalmal ◴[] No.44544829[source]
That’s quite a stretch. I loathe ads as much as anyone else here, but I don’t consider being exposed to them as violating the sanctity of my mind (is my mind even sacrosanct, such that it could be violated?) it’s just something I don’t like.

And yes, attention is absolutely a currency that can be used to pay for things. Like any other voluntary transaction, no one is entitled to my attention unless we both voluntarily agree to it.

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18. theoreticalmal ◴[] No.44544839[source]
I get an ad-free YouTube experience for $0 with software. Why do you pay for it?
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19. dandellion ◴[] No.44544886[source]
I paid premium a few months, then they added shorts and there was no way to block them, so I installed a blocker and stopped paying for it.
20. iLoveOncall ◴[] No.44544904{3}[source]
You also give money to the creators you watch by watching ads or watching with YouTube premium.

You also can't block ads on iPhones, which a majority of the developed world uses. My girlfriend has never watched a YouTube video on something other than an Apple device for example.

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21. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44544917{3}[source]
> I don’t consider being exposed to them as violating the sanctity of my mind

I do. I think it's a form of mind rape. You're trying to read something and suddenly you've got corporations inserting their brands and jingles and taglines into your mind without your consent. That's unacceptable.

> attention is absolutely a currency that can be used to pay for things

No. Attention is a cognitive function. It has none of the properties of currency.

These corporations are sending you stuff for free. They are hoping you will pay attention to the ads. At no point did they charge you any money. You are not obligated to make their advertising campaigns a success.

They are taking a risk. They are assuming you will pay attention. We are entirely within our rights to deny them their payoff. They sent you stuff for free with noise and garbage attached. You can trash the garbage and filter out the noise. They have only themselves to blame.

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22. dandellion ◴[] No.44544968{3}[source]
Plus you can block shorts. You can't do that with premium.

I got fed up and stopped paying for premium, now I get no shorts and no ads, it's a win-win.

23. card_zero ◴[] No.44544971{3}[source]
That implies voluntarily paying attention to adverts, as an informal contractual obligation. You aren't allowed on Youtube any more because you haven't been allowing the adverts to influence you enough. You can't look away or think about something else, that's cheating on the deal.
24. cbeley ◴[] No.44545008{3}[source]
Because I want to actually support content creators. I also want it to be more normalized to pay for things vs having ad supported content.
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25. raincole ◴[] No.44545011[source]
Youtube premium has been ad-free for 10 years. What kind of track record do you need? 20 years? 100 years?
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26. card_zero ◴[] No.44545031{4}[source]
Do you think giving money to the world's largest ad agency will encourage them to change their business model?
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27. krelian ◴[] No.44545084{4}[source]
You gotta love the mental gymnastics people will go through to convince themselves that not paying and blocking ads is the morally correct thing to do.

If you truly have those beliefs the right moral action is to not use YouTube at all but god forbid you'd have to make any sort of sacrifice.

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28. vinyl7 ◴[] No.44545087[source]
Netflix and other streaming sites have ads on some paid subscriptions. First they start with ad free subs, then introduce ads and introduce a higher priced tier to get rid of ads
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29. jorvi ◴[] No.44545106[source]
Don't let everyone responding gaslight you. YouTube Premium is absolutely stuffed with ads[0] (sorry, 'promoted content' / 'sponsorship'). The only probable explanation I have for this is that Google has successfully boiled the frog and people mentally don't even register these things as ads anymore.

And that's not to mention pretty much every single creator stuffing sponsored sections into their videos now. We have Sponsorblock for now, but I imagine Google will try to introduce random offsets at some point which will render Sponsorblock mute. Maybe an AI blocker will rise up in the future?

At any rate, fight fire with fire. Just use every bit of adblocking on desktop, Revanced on Android and hope that Revanced or Youtube++ comes to iOS 3rd party stores at some point.

[0]https://imgur.com/a/3emEhsF

Edit: since people are too lazy to click on the link and instead ram the downvote button in blind rage, image 1 and 4 contain straight up ads, unconnected to creators.

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30. card_zero ◴[] No.44545118{5}[source]
I don't use Youtube at all, but I keep thinking I'm missing out and should make the effort to find a way to circumvent tracking. I can't see that the morality points to an obligation to absorb adverts. There can be no contract on the basis of what your mind must do.

Edit: let's step through this. If I use a towel placed over the computer to block ads, that's morally the same as using blocking software, I think? If I block the ads by putting my fingers in my ears and staring at the ceiling, also the same thing, morally. If I block them by watching them in a negative frame of mind, saying that I dislike ads and won't do what they suggest, I'm still doing the bad thing, the same as using an ad blocker - if it is a bad thing. My obligation, if it is an obligation, is to be receptive. Otherwise what, it's a sort of mind-fraud?

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31. npteljes ◴[] No.44545121[source]
I just pay them until it works, and I'll reconsider once it changes. Don't worry about track record, you can stop paying anytime.
32. layer8 ◴[] No.44545138{4}[source]
A YouTube subscription doesn’t exactly break the bank. Being able to afford it doesn’t make you wealthy.

Apart from that, you can bet that YouTube is pricing it in a way that they aren’t losing out compared to ad revenue.

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33. kenmacd ◴[] No.44545169{3}[source]
<cough> SponsorBlock (https://sponsor.ajay.app/) <cough>

It works amazingly well provided a video's been out for at least a half hour or so. It also has the option to skip the "like and subscribe" parts too.

I also tried the https://dearrow.ajay.app/ extension to replace clickbait titles, but decided I'd rather know when a channel/video is too clickbait-y so I can block/unsubscribe.

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34. fakedang ◴[] No.44545211{4}[source]
Folks be adopting all sorts of irrational arguments just so they can defend their habits. Do you also prefer having middlemen in other areas such as healthcare and education?

Creators can just as easily pop a Patreon or BuyMeACoffee these days in a few clicks. In fact, most creators constantly admit that Google pays them peanuts for their view counts. But support the leviathan for reasons unknown I guess.

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35. jowea ◴[] No.44545246[source]
I think people just decided it doesn't count as ads when it's the creator doing it. And it feels more tolerable since the money is going to the creator that they probably like instead of megacorp Google.
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36. raincole ◴[] No.44545307{3}[source]
So if one supermarket sold expired food, we should avoid another supermarket that has not been doing that for 10 years? Google/Youtube doesn't own Netflix. If anything, the reasonable response would be to unsub Netflix and sub its competitors, like, uh, Youtube.
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37. dexterdog ◴[] No.44545324[source]
That's what sponsorblock is for
38. h2zizzle ◴[] No.44545334{5}[source]
It's a decent chunk of change for the sole purpose of avoiding ads on a single platform that barely pays the people actually producing the content. If you're looking to access premium content and YouTube Music, it's a slightly better value proposition (but only slightly, because YTM sucks, especially compared to what GPM used to be). For that ~$120 a year, you could buy a bunch of Steam games to occupy the same amount of time as your YT habit. Or you could buy a sub to services like Nebula which actually pay content creators decently. Or you could buy an external hard drive, install yt-dlp, and embrace Talk Like A Pirate Day, Groundhog Day-style.
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39. heraldgeezer ◴[] No.44545363{4}[source]
>You also can't block ads on iPhones, which a majority of the developed world uses. My girlfriend has never watched a YouTube video on something other than an Apple device for example.

People really live like this... ? Like those who watch movies on their phones lmao.

Also, Brave works on iphone -> m.youtube.com adfree :)

Then again I went years not using conditioner and moisturiser for my skin, only deo... We all need tips from people who know better you know. (Im white.)

40. jorvi ◴[] No.44545394{3}[source]
1 and 4 contain straight up ads.
41. imiric ◴[] No.44545421[source]
I'm honestly baffled why anyone who objects to ads would still want to use any of the official YouTube clients. Whether or not they show ads to you on YouTube, they still track your every move and use it to improve their profile of you so that they can show you ads on any of their other platforms, sell your data, or whatever other shady business they do behind the scenes to extract value from it.

Adtech cannot be trusted. I refuse to support their empire whether that's financially or with my data and attention.

42. h2zizzle ◴[] No.44545430{6}[source]
Adding: advertisements use as many hacks as possible to grab your attention. You could broadly categorize things that behave in this way as akin to a) a baby's cries (attention-seeking by something that absolutely requires your assistance), b) an alarm (attention-seeking by something that seeks to warn you), or c) being accosted (attention-seeking by something that seeks to harm you for its own benefit). Which are advertisements most closely aligned with? Is it the same across all advertisements, or do intentions vary? People likely assign varying levels of morality to the above examples; does advertising inherit the morality of the most closely aligned example?
43. cbeley ◴[] No.44545453{5}[source]
I also back people on patreon. Isn't it irrational to expect something for free? If you don't like the service or it doesn't align with your values, simply don't use it.

Also, isn't patreon also a middleman by your definition?

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44. layer8 ◴[] No.44545481{6}[source]
I mean, yeah, if you don’t actually get much use out of YouTube, then it might not be worth it to you. But that’s the same for all streaming services. And I wasn’t commenting on whether it’s worth it or not, which of course is subjective, but on how big an expense it is in absolute terms. The former doesn’t relate to the “higher net worth ads” argument, the latter does.

Personally I do like YouTube Music, due to all the user-uploaded content that isn’t available on other platforms.

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45. cbeley ◴[] No.44545534{5}[source]
Their business model is already in line with my values. I give them money and in exchange I get an ad-free experience. They don't need to change.
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46. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44545610[source]
The point is most people will never pay. That makes the Adblock/anti-adblock war inevitable for them. If you can afford it, you sidestep it. If you can’t or won’t, you don’t. Pretending there is some point where those folks would pay is a little delusional in my view.
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47. sensanaty ◴[] No.44545676{3}[source]
Advertisements have been proven countless times to be a form of psychological manipulation, and a very potent one that works very well. After all, if it didn't work we wouldn't be seeing ads crop up literally every-fucking-where, including these days even in our very own night sky in the form of drone lightshows. The ad companies have huge teams of mental health experts in order to maximize the reach & impact of their advertisements on the general populace.

Ads are so powerful that they've even managed to twist the truth about plenty of horrific shit happening to the point of affecting the health and safety of real people, sometimes literally on a global scale. Chiquita bananas, De Beers, Nestle, Oil & Gas companies, and must I remind you of Tobacco companies (and surprise surprise, the same people who were doing the ads for Big Tobacco are the ones doing ad campaigns for O&G companies now)? There have been SO MANY examples from all these companies of using advertisements to trick and manipulate people & politicians, oftentimes just straight up lying, like the Tobacco companies lying about the adverse health effects despite knowing for decades what the adverse health effects were, Or Oil & Gas companies lying about climate change via comprehensive astroturfing & advertisement campaigns [1].

This all barely scratches the surface, too, especially these days where you have platforms like Google and Meta enabling genocides, mass political interference and pushing things like crypto scams, gambling ads and other similarly heinous and harmful shit to the entire internet.

The TL;DR of all of this is that yes, advertisements absolutely are psychological warfare. They have been and continue to be used for absolutely vile and heinous activities, and the advertisers employ huge teams of people to ensure that their mass influence machine runs smoothly, overtaking everyone's minds slowly but surely with nothing but pure lies fabricated solely to sell people products they absolutely do not, and will never need.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v1Yg6XejyE

48. h2zizzle ◴[] No.44545688{7}[source]
$12 is a week of chicken thighs, man. It's enough gas to make $60-$80 running UberEats orders. In America. In "absolute terms", it's $100+ dollars a year to turn off ads on a single platform for content the creators are compensated pennies for.

People who choose that without much thought - because it's barely an expense for them - are definitely tending towards "higher net worth" nationally, let alone globally. A lot of those people just don't realize it, because the entire point of seeking that kind of status is so that they can enter a socioeconomic bubble and not have to care about annoyances (like advertising).

49. ThunderSizzle ◴[] No.44545702[source]
Or rather, don't use YouTube without paying.

Youtube isn't free, and unlike a simple blog, requires tons of infrastructure and content creation. None of that is free, and people wanting that to be free is why we're in adscape hell.

Edit: I'd love for a competitor to youtube, but there isn't. Rumble isn't a real competitor, and none of my favorite channels place their content there either.

I wish there was a youtube alternative that was more of a federation, but every attempt I've seen of federations have been mess.

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50. WrongAssumption ◴[] No.44545734{3}[source]
Can't you just stop subscribing when that happens? You aren't signing a 5 year contract.
51. ThunderSizzle ◴[] No.44545743{4}[source]
I wish many of these suggestion worked for casting.

Browser extensions don't fix a chromecast skipping ads, for example. It'd have to be written into the casting client, I'd presume.

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52. WrongAssumption ◴[] No.44545764{5}[source]
Patreon and BuyMeACoffee are middlemen...
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53. card_zero ◴[] No.44545804{6}[source]
If you care about whether content is ad supported or not, then Google are behind most of the world's ad supported content, and need to change, irrespective of your own transaction, unless you think transactions like that will change them. That's why I asked. It would be nice if it worked.
54. j45 ◴[] No.44545861{5}[source]
Yeah, this can be a consideration, and also a non-issue with Youtube Premium
55. dangraper2 ◴[] No.44545984{4}[source]
Not mind rape, actual rape.
56. dangraper2 ◴[] No.44545992{5}[source]
It is still my right to murder to uphold your lack of morals
57. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44546000{4}[source]
Then subscribe to their Patreon instead of paying YouTube.
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58. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44546181{5}[source]
There is nothing immoral about this at all. They're the ones who chose to send people videos for free, gambling on the notion that people would look at the ads. Nobody is obligated to make their unwarranted assumptions a reality. They are as entitled to our attention as a gambler is entitled to a jackpot.

If someone gives you an ad filled magazine, you can rip out the ad pages and throw them in the trash, leaving only the articles you actually want to read. Same principle applies here. If some random person on the street gives you a propaganda pamphlet, are you obligated to read it just because some businessman paid for it? Of course not.

59. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44546183{3}[source]
I'm not pretending. I know most people won't pay. The point is it doesn't matter.

They're giving their stuff away for free instead of charging money for it. They gambled on the notion that people would "pay" by watching ads. Unfortunately for them, attention is not currency to pay for services with. We will resist their attempts to monetize our cognitive functions. The blocking of advertising is self defense.

They have absolutely nobody but themselves and their own greed to blame. Instead of charging money up front like an honest business, they decided to tap into that juicy mass market by giving away free sfuff. Their thinking goes: if I give them free videos with ads, then they will look at the ads and I will get paid. That's magical thinking. There is no such deal in place. We are not obligated to look at the ads at all. They don't get to cry about their gamble not paying off.

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60. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44546205{3}[source]
> Youtube isn't free

Then charge for it like the other streaming services. If they send me ads, I'll block and delete them, manually or automatically, and I won't lose a second of sleep over it.

> requires tons of infrastructure and content creation

Not our problem. It's up to the so called innovators to come up with a working business model. If they can't, they should go bankrupt.

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61. lucb1e ◴[] No.44546511{4}[source]
I'd rather send money to the people I want to support than fund a middleman

> which a majority of the developed world uses

... the USA? It's not a majority in any other country that I'm aware of

I've got a Eurocentric view though, I have e.g. no idea if Singapore or China has a majority of Apple users or where you draw the line on 'developed' (critique on the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Factfulness&oldid...)

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62. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.44546535{4}[source]
> They have absolutely nobody but themselves and their own greed to blame

They’re one of the most profitable media platforms on the planet. They’ll be fine. Nobody is crying. There are just willing participants—as you say, on both sides—in what I consider a pretty silly battle one can opt out of with a small amount of money.

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63. lucb1e ◴[] No.44546552{4}[source]
I don't think you're normalizing ad-supported content when running an ad blocker

As for paying for the content you consume, most of the costs aren't on Google's side. I can understand paying for Youtube as a shortcut to hopefully giving some pennies to each person you watch, though, at least for those with no moral objection to making Google's/Youtube's monopoly in online video stronger

64. lucb1e ◴[] No.44546558{6}[source]
I'm not aware that you can pay for Google Search. That they have a paid tier for Youtube is probably to cater to another group of people rather than to "align with your values" and encourage people to actually pay for things online
65. lucb1e ◴[] No.44546578{5}[source]
I was a bit surprised to find that Patreon also keeps a pretty large commission. But, yeah, at least it's not owned by Google and what else are you going to do when most creators list this as their only option. I'm just confused when there's easy options like sending cash directly to their IBAN or using a nonprofit like Liberapay (they just have their own donation page and, instead of taking a cut, make money that way: https://liberapay.com/Liberapay)
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67. j45 ◴[] No.44547281{5}[source]
It’s an opt out fee from Ads.
68. j45 ◴[] No.44547290{5}[source]
It’s a personal choice.

Once someone reaches a level of individual support that’s fine.

YouTube remains a place for discovering channels and people and some people especially the majority who are not technical, can outwit a simple family fee.

I use YouTube premium more than I ever used for paying Netflix for far longer. Value (and proven convenience) is in the eyes of the user.

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69. rightbyte ◴[] No.44547370{3}[source]
Seems strange to me to support Google with your money from a moral perspective. It is a spyware company.
70. userbinator ◴[] No.44547417[source]
And that's not to mention pretty much every single creator stuffing sponsored sections into their videos now.

Fortunately I mainly watch the videos which are not made by "creators" looking for $$$ but just people sharing something interesting and useful; the ones which have no annoying intros or outros, "like share and subscribe" drivel, and are often not much more than raw unedited content. They still exist on YouTube.

71. jklas2hjdsdk ◴[] No.44547593[source]
Yes me too, and they fucked me.
72. eviks ◴[] No.44547650[source]
It has never been ad-free, sponsored segments have always existed
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73. eviks ◴[] No.44547664{4}[source]
No, if all the big supermarkets sell expired food from time to time to meet profitability expectations, there is no reason to believe one will be so unique as to be able to resist using the same industry standard, especially when it already has a much bigger expired food business
74. fakedang ◴[] No.44547673{6}[source]
There's a difference between a middleman that simply ensures that you're paid for your work on a fixed commission-based model, and a middleman who basically controls the entire platform you use to reach your audience. A better analogy would be OnlyFans vs a pimp.
75. fakedang ◴[] No.44547675{6}[source]
There's a difference between a middleman that simply ensures that you're paid for your work on a fixed commission-based model, and a middleman who basically controls the entire platform you use to reach your audience. A better analogy would be OnlyFans vs a pimp.
76. fakedang ◴[] No.44547694{6}[source]
I agree about YouTube being a platform for discovering new content, and even great content. I've even bought Premium for my parents and brother just so they wouldn't need to go through all sorts of ads on YouTube.

I would have bought the argument of the commenter if they talked about buying Premium to support the platform. But buying Premium to support the content creators? That's a bunch of horse manure.

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77. iLoveOncall ◴[] No.44548315{5}[source]
https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/...

Basically any rich country has a majority of iPhones. And let's not even talk about tablets.

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78. yard2010 ◴[] No.44548453[source]
Ads are social cancer that's spreading without any attention nor control from the authorities. Just like cigarettes 30 years ago.
79. arccy ◴[] No.44548847{3}[source]
you should blame the creators for being greedy, not YouTube for that
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80. eviks ◴[] No.44548884{4}[source]
YT sets the rules of what content is allowed and sets the level of deception in their marketing regarding this "ours vs theirs" distinction in ads, so feel free to blame it as well.
81. izzydata ◴[] No.44550307[source]
Youtube premium is still an ad driven business model. They are the ones making the problem worse so they can sell you the solution. The more you pay for Youtube Premium the more incentive they have to make ads worse.
82. lucb1e ◴[] No.44551425{6}[source]
Without loading the image up in an editor and comparing color values, I can't tell which countries have a majority there. Looking it up myself, the third hit for "iphone market share" (the top two did not have a breakdown per country) is https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma... which shows how flawed this notion is: from a quick look, honduras, dominican republic, and albania are listed as over 50% but rich countries like the netherlands, germany, and new zealand are not

Anyway, it's also the user's own choice if they want a closed ecosystem. I find it relatively irrelevant if someone chooses a jail and then complains that the jailer is too strict and they can't run the ad blocker software they want: that's the deal they picked and they're free to choose an open platform any day of the week. I don't even mean open source, just the zeroth, most fundamental freedom ("The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition#T...)

83. matheusmoreira ◴[] No.44560323{5}[source]
They're profitable because people look at ads. By blocking their ads, we are reducing the return on investment of their advertising platform, ideally to zero. Extensions such as AdNauseam even push it into negative value territory by increasing costs for no benefit.

Ad blockers are an existential threat to them.

84. j45 ◴[] No.44576835{7}[source]
I think primary and secondary motivations are OK - I'm not sure how the premium subscriptions are distributed to content creators other than by ad revenue.

One thing is for sure - an ad-free family is much more peaceful and able to enjoy the content itself, which can bode well for connecting with the content creators and appreciating the platform for what it is, and once was.