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voidUpdate ◴[] No.45063021[source]
I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
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acdha ◴[] No.45063088[source]
Why do you think Musk put so much money into helping Trump win? Tesla was under multiple investigations for safety and unkept promises, and he knew that he would not have leverage to halt those under a Harris administration.
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myrmidon ◴[] No.45063332[source]
I'm absolutely not a fan of Trump, but this is a highly questionable assumption.

The much more likely hypothesis in my view is that he was helping Trump because of personal conviction (only in small parts motivated by naked self-interest).

You should expect rational billionaires to tend politically right out of pure self-interest and distorted perspective alone; because the universal thing that such parties reliably do when in power is cutting tax burden on the top end.

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1. antonvs ◴[] No.45063429[source]
Musk is on record saying to Tucker Carlson that “If [Trump] loses, I’m fucked.”

So this isn't so much of an assumption, as taking him at his word.

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2. unnamed76ri ◴[] No.45063530[source]
The Left was coming after Musk pretty hard before the election. I don’t know the context of the quote you pulled but it’s not hard to see how if Trump lost, there was going to be consequences for Musk.
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3. Swenrekcah ◴[] No.45063613[source]
He has committed a lot of fraud and was facing consequences for that. That has nothing to do with left or right.
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4. walls ◴[] No.45063681{3}[source]
It does actually, because only one side is interested in finding or fighting fraud.
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5. unnamed76ri ◴[] No.45063758{3}[source]
Fraud has nothing to do with vandalizing Tesla dealerships last I checked.
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6. Swenrekcah ◴[] No.45063801{4}[source]
Currently yes, but it is not inherently so. The problem with the US regime is that it is compromised, corrupt and heading towards fascism.

The problem is not that the republican party used to be a conservative right party.

What I’m saying is this is not a sports competition where Musk is automatically an opponent of the Democratic party because he supported Trump. He supported Trump in order to improve his chances with the legal system because he knew Trump would be willing to be so corrupt.

Another world might be imagined in which the Democratic party was taken over in 2016 but that is not the world we live in.

7. Swenrekcah ◴[] No.45063821{4}[source]
You are right it doesn’t. That is (wrongly) done by people who are (rightly) mad at him for making american life harder and global life more dangerous, in a self serving attempt to evade the justice system.
8. terminalshort ◴[] No.45063864{3}[source]
Can you give an example of these many instances of fraud?
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9. terminalshort ◴[] No.45063897{4}[source]
Both are interested in finding and fighting fraud, but only from the other side. Leticia James charged Trump with a rack of felonies for putting false info on a loan application. The Trump DOJ charged Leticia James for doing exactly the same. Both sides claim the charges against them are politically motivated and the charges against the other side are completely legitimate.
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10. scott_w ◴[] No.45063932{4}[source]
We can start from the linked article?
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11. terminalshort ◴[] No.45063997{5}[source]
Yeah, that's where I started, and I would recommend you do the same:

> U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom, who presided over the case, said in an order that she did not find “sufficient evidence” that Tesla’s failure to initially produce the data was intentional.

12. myrmidon ◴[] No.45064001[source]
All the context I have for this is that he was grandstanding in front of a rightwing audience (after Trump was shot at, notably) and playing the "surely I would get unjustly prosecuted for my political incorrectness under the democrats".

What is your actual point? What would he stand in front of a judge for, right now, if Harris had won?

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13. walls ◴[] No.45064038{5}[source]
> Both sides claim the charges against them are politically motivated and the charges against the other side are completely legitimate.

This is how conservatives keep people going 'both sides!' even though they manufacture whatever is required to be that way.

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14. Swenrekcah ◴[] No.45064150{4}[source]
For instance he has made fraudulent statements regarding the current and near future capabilities of Tesla in an effort to inflate stock prices numerous times. He was in fact ordered by a judge to stop making such statements but he didn’t obey that.

He used to be quite charismatic, I believed him up until about 2017 or so. Then I figured he was just a bit greedy and maybe money got to his head but still a respectable innovator. However during 2020 or 2021 (I don’t exactly remember) he started to get quite unpleasant and making obviously short-term decisions, such as relying only on cameras for self driving because of chip shortages but dressing it up as an engineering decision.

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15. throwway120385 ◴[] No.45064423{4}[source]
We were talking about Tesla's fraud cases, not some vandalism cases last time I checked.
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16. unnamed76ri ◴[] No.45064612{5}[source]
Actually we were talking about personal consequences to Musk.
17. antonvs ◴[] No.45064754[source]
My actual point is that when someone tells you who they are, you should consider believing them.

You'd have to ask Musk what he feels so guilty about that he had to buy an election.

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18. immibis ◴[] No.45064854{3}[source]
Why do you believe it has nothing to do with left or right?

(Democrats aren't left btw)

19. terminalshort ◴[] No.45064976{6}[source]
Please explain how one person lying on a loan application is manufactured and another person lying on a loan application is a serious felony.
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20. terminalshort ◴[] No.45065200{5}[source]
I just can't take the accusation of lying to increase stock price seriously because Elon has on occasion come right out and said the stock is overvalued https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1256239815256797184

You will basically never hear another CEO of another publicly traded company say this. I just don't believe that the same person who cares so little about his stock price that he sends a tweet like that (and the stock dropped 10% on it) also is making fraudulent statements to inflate the price. A better explanation is that he just says what he thinks without regard for the stock price, which is also something you won't see any other CEO of a publicly traded company do.

21. rcpt ◴[] No.45065984{3}[source]
Somehow the right has this incredible ability where none of their words matter.

On the left the details of your sentence structure get criticism for weeks from the public and the press (remember "garbage people"?)

22. walls ◴[] No.45070519{7}[source]
Scale, intent, history... so many things make two crimes that sound the same, not the same.