First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

Now, Latin Americans living in the US proudly call themselves "Americans"

Edit: Albeit long, the correct gentilice for the US is "Estadounidenses" as in "Estados Unidos de América"

On the other hand, some of more conscientious people in the US are feeling a little awkward about the name these days. So it isn’t surprising that we’d be the ones objecting.

If the folks who got us into this mess with label obsession move on to something less charged like USian, that’s probably for the net good.

Which nobody uses. (It’s also meaningful to note that I would call myself an American in English but not in Spanish.)

But also sure, telling Americans to rename things, that hasn't caused ANY backlash now resulting in the renaming of huge bodies of water to stupid things, keep up the cultural dictates, it's totally working!

    1955 born (chicago)
    1977 seminary grad (chicago)
    1982 ordination (->rome)
    1985 canon law doctor (->peru)
    1999 midwest augustinians (->chicago)
    2001 global augustinians (->rome)
    2015 bishop (->peru)
    2021 dicasterate (->rome)

I guarantee less than 1% of Americans feel like this or are even thinking about the issue at all.

/s

I think there are legal implications. Akin to "Washington District of Columbia"

Decades ago, Mexicans refered to the capital as "el DF" But I dont know about more recently.

Traditional papal symbols of Benedict XVI return and that whole speech of “Do not be afraid to evangelize with the truth” gave me a sense of confrontation with the modern ideology.

Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

There is a similar situation in Quebec (the province and its capital city are both just called "Québec" in French, whereas in English we use Quebec/Quebec City). However, there is usually no ambiguity because French grammar requires the definite article for (masculine) names of large territories like countries and provinces, but not for cities. E.g. "Je vais au Québec"[1] = I'm going to Quebec (the province) vs. "Je vais à Québec" = I'm going to Quebec City.

I'm not sure if there is any similar grammatical distinction in Spanish.

1: au is a mandatory contraction for à + le

Which I think is a great thing as the representative of a worldwide religion. Born in the US, an English-speaking country in North America, lived in Peru, a Spanish-speaking country in the South America, then in Italy, an Italian-speaking country in Europe.

Personally I don’t believe in nationalism, so he’s just a dude from Chicago if anything.

and in addition he is also Peruvian.

so he's more than American. hyper American if you will. and now he's the head of state of the Vatican, too.

a triple whopper of sorts ;-)

What would you call Americans? United Statesians?

There are two countries called the United States in North America, there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America. People from the United States of Mexico are called Mexicans, and people from the United States of America are called Americans.

And what about people from the continent of North America? There's called North Americans, just like people from South America are called South Americans.

No, actually, there aren't.

> there's the United States of Mexico, and the United States of America.

No, México’s formal English name (which is an exact literal translation of its Spanish name) is United Mexican States (it is Estados Unidos Mexicanos not Estados Unidos de México)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierbattista_Pizzaballa

As for being completely American: dual citizen of U.S. and another country here. On each April 15, the U.S. still considers me completely American even though I haven’t earned a cent there in over a decade. So in an official sense, that moniker sticks to you like Super Glue.

Granted, the new pope may have a wider scope of cultural influences than many, if not a majority of Americans, it sounds like his formative years were spent in the U.S. so I’d call him American.

  2005 world series (chicago)

What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

The drink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_(vermouth)

The company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_%26_Rossi

Éamon de Valera was born in New York City in 1882, and served as President of Ireland from 1959 to 1973

Bhumibol Adulyadej was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts in 1927, and served as King of Thailand from 1946 until his death in 2016

That’s just two US-born individuals who became head of state of another country, there may be more.

I assume both were US citizens at birth (de Valera was born into poverty, abandoned by his Spanish father, reputedly an artist; Bhumibol‘s father was a student at Harvard)-whether or not they ever formally renounced their US citizenship, I don’t know

It’s true that the man was born in the USA and was a bishop in Peru. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Peruvian catholics were happy to have a pope who lived their country.

US-Americans

1. Does the Pope have significant personal income? 2. Does, which what I think you are getting at, the law apply to a head of state?

I think this would translate to Mexican United States ; you're mixing up the word order.

If Estados Unidos existed in Spanish as a compound, non-proper, noun phrase—that is, if "a united states" was a generic name for a thing—rather than Unidos and Mexicanos both being adjectives that modify Estados, then that would be a plausible translation. But that's (1) not the case, and (2) even if it was the case, that's not how it is used in the actual official name of the country of México.

> you're mixing up the word order.

To be clear, you are asserting that the government of México messed up the word order in its own official English name.

There is no generally-agreed-upondefinition for “continent”, in the same way that there was no generally-agreed-upon definition of “planet” prior to the IAU 2006 General Assembly.

Continents are identified by convention (and there are a few competing conventions) rather than any strict criteria.

I was taught (in Europe) that there are 6 continents, 1 of which close-to-uninhabited: Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, America, Antarctica. This convention is the same as the one for the UNSD “continental regions”. The five interlocking rings of the Olympic flag represent these five inhabited continents.

There’s another convention that considers Eurasia to be a single continent. And another that even considers Afro-Eurasia to be a single continent.

Personal motto: Sufficit tibi gratia mea ('My grace is sufficient for you')

This guy is a baller.

> Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born on 19 June 1964 on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City

I was just commenting on the fact that adjective order in Spanish is usually reversed vs. the English one, and the adjective closest to the noun remains closest to the noun.

Wikipedia mentions that an alternate official name is Estados-Unidos Mexicanos:

> All three federal constitutions (1824, 1857, and 1917, the current constitution) used the name Estados Unidos Mexicanos[29]—or the variant Estados-Unidos Mexicanos,[30] all of which have been translated as "United Mexican States"

Interesting that it's still translated this way. I'm wondering if there are some political considerations there (eg to avoid being called the "Mexican US"). Thanks for your response. I learned something today.

Monthly income for pope US$32,000 equivalent.

> Does, which what I think you are getting at, the law apply to a head of state?

I don’t know if he will exempt as head of state, but as ordinary US citizen he will be paying taxes to US as his income exceeds FEIE exemption threshold.

Wikipedia is helping, though.

It says (I didn’t know this) that the “single American continent” model was mainstream in the US prior to WW2, so even if there is now a single definition in the Anglosphere, that’s a relatively recent development.

I remember as a kid believing that the Americas contained three continents-North, Central and South. I’m sure I’m not the only person to have ever thought that, and given how conventional these definitions are, can it really be said to be wrong?

One still occasionally hears “yanks”, but it is quite rare. “Seppos”, one more often hears joking about calling Americans that than anyone actually doing so-and the rare occasions the term is used (as opposed to merely mentioned), are (in my personal experience) self-conscious exercises in derogatory jocularity-related jocular coinages are “Sepponians” and “Seppostanis”

Of course, it is a big country, and terms which have fallen out of general use may be retained or revived in some pockets-I can only describe my own personal experiences

The $32k seems suspiciously close to the monthly €2,500 reported by other sources multiplied by 12.

There also seems to be some confusion between the assets and income of the pope and the papacy.

Well, as per parent's logic, that claim is out the door ever since the Suez was dug out.

There are some sources indicating that children of foreign sovereigns would be exempt from automatic citizenship, but Bhumibol's father wasn't the king, just the king's brother.

Éamon de Valera's case is unambiguous.

There are surely other world leaders who spent significant time in the US - Benjamin Netanyahu spent some time in the Philadelphia area as a child, for example. And a little bit of research turns up Naftali Bennett, prime minister of Israel in 2021-22 - he was a US citizen (born in Israel to US citizen parents) until he had to renounce his US citizenship when elected to the Knesset.

Famously Einstein was offered the presidency of Israel (which is a largely ceremonial post), which presumably would have come with Israeli citizenship, but he turned it down.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/08/pope-leo-xiv-p...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewdl4e57v7o

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/for-us-pope-is-peruvi...

and, unsurprisingly, the Peruvian-Americans:

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/paterson-nj-new-pope-le...

I don’t really see that from the articles you linked.

It’s all quotes about how the Pope is Peruvian (definitely true as he indeed has the Peruvian nationality) and how Peruvian people feel blessed in that.

Even your last article reinforces that he is a dual citizen with knowledge of both culture which obviously makes people joyful.

I have yet to see people argue if he is more American or more Peruvian apart from here.

Also, in most countries (the US included), one’s status as a citizen/national is legally independent of whether one tries to “claim” it.

my cheap excuse is that Europeans learn en-uk ;-)

Suez and Panama channels created other continents.

If we made another small rut parallel to either Suez or Panama, would we add 1 to the count of continents?