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afavour ◴[] No.43929124[source]
> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they don't wanna give us, also, control over the church."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-pope-could-it-be-american-c...

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bbor ◴[] No.43929272[source]
For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.
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mvieira38 ◴[] No.43930642[source]
Americans will say they are Italian because their great grandma ate spaghetti once, but God forbid someone is American because he was born there
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GuB-42 ◴[] No.43931943[source]
GP is right, he is not "completely" American in the sense that he is both American and Peruvian because of his dual citizenship. He also spent most of his life outside of the USA.

Which I think is a great thing as the representative of a worldwide religion. Born in the US, an English-speaking country in North America, lived in Peru, a Spanish-speaking country in the South America, then in Italy, an Italian-speaking country in Europe.

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kashunstva ◴[] No.43932986[source]
> he is not "completely" American

As for being completely American: dual citizen of U.S. and another country here. On each April 15, the U.S. still considers me completely American even though I haven’t earned a cent there in over a decade. So in an official sense, that moniker sticks to you like Super Glue.

Granted, the new pope may have a wider scope of cultural influences than many, if not a majority of Americans, it sounds like his formative years were spent in the U.S. so I’d call him American.

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User23 ◴[] No.43934125[source]
There’s a really interesting question here. Will the USA claim the right to tax the new pontiff? Likely answer is no, but legally the statute suggests yes. But who knows? There’s never before been a US citizen who is also a foreign sovereign.
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graemep ◴[] No.43934629[source]
Two things:

1. Does the Pope have significant personal income? 2. Does, which what I think you are getting at, the law apply to a head of state?

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1. akg_67 ◴[] No.43935338[source]
> Does the Pope have significant personal income?

Monthly income for pope US$32,000 equivalent.

> Does, which what I think you are getting at, the law apply to a head of state?

I don’t know if he will exempt as head of state, but as ordinary US citizen he will be paying taxes to US as his income exceeds FEIE exemption threshold.

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2. graemep ◴[] No.43935554[source]
I am not sure that is correct. Different sources show very different amounts.

The $32k seems suspiciously close to the monthly €2,500 reported by other sources multiplied by 12.

There also seems to be some confusion between the assets and income of the pope and the papacy.