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    First American pope elected and will be known as Pope Leo XIV

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    606 points saikatsg | 21 comments | 08 May 25 16:30 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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    afavour ◴[08 May 25 17:54 UTC] No.43929124[source]▶
    > "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they don't wanna give us, also, control over the church."

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-pope-could-it-be-american-c...

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    bbor ◴[08 May 25 18:04 UTC] No.43929272[source]▶
    For what it’s worth, I was just reading that Leo wasn’t seen as “completely” American due to his many years in Peru — he’s even a citizen. Take that as you will.
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    1. tptacek ◴[08 May 25 19:02 UTC] No.43930040[source]▶

        1955 born (chicago)
    1977 seminary grad (chicago)
    1982 ordination (->rome)
    1985 canon law doctor (->peru)
    1999 midwest augustinians (->chicago)
    2001 global augustinians (->rome)
    2015 bishop (->peru)
    2021 dicasterate (->rome)
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    2. fblp ◴[08 May 25 19:24 UTC] No.43930286[source]▶
    Seems like he's spent 2 years in the US since he was 27.
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    3. cjbgkagh ◴[08 May 25 19:34 UTC] No.43930390[source]▶
    At 69 that's pretty close to half of his life, and since it's the early half there is more weight to it as it forms the context from which the rest is understood.
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    4. brailsafe ◴[08 May 25 20:14 UTC] No.43930823{3}[source]▶
    Well, I don't know if it would be fair to compare him to your typical midwest American boomer who's been living in the suburbs since they were 27 and shows up in the middle of the day to protest against apartments going up in their neighborhood.

    /s

    5. dragonwriter ◴[08 May 25 20:51 UTC] No.43931194[source]▶
    Wait till you see how long Cardinal Pizzaballa who was viewed as the most likely Italian contender for the Papacy, has spent in the Holy Land and not Italy.
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    6. anonymars ◴[08 May 25 21:57 UTC] No.43931776{3}[source]▶
    > Cardinal Pizzaballa

    Not going to lie, I had to check that this was a real name (it is)

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    7. datavirtue ◴[08 May 25 23:12 UTC] No.43932271{4}[source]▶
    His name makes me super hungry
    8. labster ◴[08 May 25 23:30 UTC] No.43932377{4}[source]▶
    And I had to look it up to make sure you weren’t both leading me on. Now that’s a spicy surname!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierbattista_Pizzaballa

    9. Detrytus ◴[09 May 25 00:51 UTC] No.43932813{4}[source]▶
    I have a coworker right now whose name is Carmelo Martini. Seriously, I had to ask him: "did your parents name you after their favorite drink?".
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    10. andrew_lettuce ◴[09 May 25 01:22 UTC] No.43932992{4}[source]▶
    Is this the guy they where hoping would take the name Papa John?
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    11. conradev ◴[09 May 25 03:03 UTC] No.43933451[source]▶

      2005 world series (chicago)
    https://x.com/michaelschwab13/status/1920656687045685562
    12. ekianjo ◴[09 May 25 03:54 UTC] No.43933661{3}[source]▶
    > the context from which the rest is understood.

    What? Speaking from experience, the country you go to after 20s is the one you choose, not the one you were forced to live in. This has a huge factor in your thinking more than the number of years on paper.

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    13. card_zero ◴[09 May 25 05:02 UTC] No.43933934{5}[source]▶
    If we're doing funny name corner, I still remember Cardinal Sin (of Manila).
    14. pmontra ◴[09 May 25 05:34 UTC] No.43934065{5}[source]▶
    I get the joke but it goes the other way around. Martini is a common family name from the north of Italy (Carmelo is common given name in the south). The drink was named after the name of company producing it (actually half of it.) The company was named Martini because that was the family name of the founder.

    The drink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_(vermouth)

    The company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini_%26_Rossi

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    15. throwaway2037 ◴[09 May 25 08:51 UTC] No.43934962{4}[source]▶
    Yeah, his full name is even better: Pierbattista Pizzaballa

    Personal motto: Sufficit tibi gratia mea ('My grace is sufficient for you')

    This guy is a baller.

    16. SideburnsOfDoom ◴[09 May 25 09:13 UTC] No.43935074{6}[source]▶
    Much like how a first name Mercedes or a last name Ford isn't necessarily a person named after a car. The cars are named after people
    17. madcaptenor ◴[09 May 25 13:01 UTC] No.43936253{5}[source]▶
    That would have been amazing. (And not impossible, there have been plenty of Popes named John.)
    18. cjbgkagh ◴[09 May 25 16:07 UTC] No.43938380{4}[source]▶
    On the nature/nature aspect people are already predominantly nature. For the nurture component of the residual the early years are very formative. As an expat who has spent much more of my life outside my country of birth than in it, and knows many other expats who have done the same, from my observation our upbringing still dominates our behavior. It is also a selection criteria bias where expats are more likely to identify with other expats even when not from the same country or residing in the same country which is one of the reasons expats tend to form communities with other expats. The problem with self assessing behavior is that the same biases which determine behavior is used for assessing the behavior where much of what is considered merely normal is ignored leading to over-weighting the size of the unusual component.
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    20. hollerith ◴[10 May 25 00:52 UTC] No.43942353{4}[source]▶
    But the Church hierarchy probably decided the young priest would be stationed in Peru, not the priest himself.
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    21. ekianjo ◴[10 May 25 04:31 UTC] No.43943256{5}[source]▶
    Sure, but the fact that he stayed there for many many years means that it suited him. If you want the change countries the Church has processes for that.