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662 points JacobHenner | 37 comments | | HN request time: 1.667s | source | bottom
1. vkou ◴[] No.40213662[source]
It's actually wild what the executive can get done in an election year... With the side effect of dangling bait for legislators to take a contrarian, nationally unpopular position.
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2. segasaturn ◴[] No.40213870[source]
Election year and not to mention that the President's numbers are in shambles with younger voters. This move feels extremely transparent to me.
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3. throwup238 ◴[] No.40213897[source]
The bureaucratic process will take about two years. It's definitely not getting done in time for election.
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4. jborden13 ◴[] No.40213915[source]
Similar to paying off random citizen's student loans?
5. flawsofar ◴[] No.40213949[source]
Well I mean: doing things that people want them to do to get elected. Not the worst problem?
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6. jimbob45 ◴[] No.40214004[source]
My favorite was the cancellation of a ban on menthol cigarettes because it would turn away black voters despite the NAACP ardently encouraging the ban[0].

[0]https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/26/health/fda-menthol-cigarettes...

7. consumer451 ◴[] No.40214027{3}[source]
I am just shocked that a politician is attempting to curry favor with the electorate. What is the world coming to?
8. segasaturn ◴[] No.40214038{3}[source]
Of course not, that's how democracy works!

My actual issue with this is:

a) it should have been done sooner. Waiting until $election_year to do something popular has severely damaged the growth of cannabis industry

and b) it's another executive branch rule by decree that could be reversed as soon as 6 months from now after election day.

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9. lesuorac ◴[] No.40214098{3}[source]
> It comes after President Joe Biden called for a review of federal marijuana law in October 2022 and moved to pardon thousands of Americans convicted federally of simple possession of the drug.

Eh, October 2022 to April 2024 is close enough to 2 years out.

10. flawsofar ◴[] No.40214108{4}[source]
Ah, I agree. It is a good move with a side of bullshit.
11. 2OEH8eoCRo0 ◴[] No.40214154{4}[source]
> it should have been done sooner.

Not everyone agrees though. I don't want it legalized or normalized more.

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12. gnicholas ◴[] No.40214278[source]
If it takes multiple years, then it gives voters a reason to support the candidate that will support the process post-election. Basically, vote for Joe if you want Mary Jane.
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14. itishappy ◴[] No.40214359{5}[source]
What about reclassification?
15. vuln ◴[] No.40214445{3}[source]
It’s pandering and on the edge of buying votes. Unlike Student Loan “forgiveness” which was a direct purchase of a vote.

And no I doubt this will rouse the pot smokers to vote, perhaps mail in, as they don’t have to do actually anything.

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16. flawsofar ◴[] No.40214528{4}[source]
If everyone buys votes using one issue or another, using cannabis to buy votes should be the least concern of anyone.

While you can make some amount of case that the timing makes it a manipulation, is this really the manipulation that bothers you?

I would rather there be no manipulations. But in a country that divides itself on infantile identity politics, fight fire with fire.

It is not a fair game. You can’t demand perfect intentions around this issue when politics is full of much worse actors.

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17. sevagh ◴[] No.40214593{4}[source]
>as severely damaged the growth of cannabis industry

Do you own weed stocks or something? How is the growth of the cannabis industry supposed to be the mandate of a government?

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18. Optimal_Persona ◴[] No.40214706[source]
Honestly the biggest uptick of weed use I've seen in my peer groups is in the >= 50 set for pain management, sleep, and...fun.
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19. laidoffamazon ◴[] No.40214765[source]
Yeah, he's doing something that's reasonably popular among everyone. How dare he?
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20. segasaturn ◴[] No.40214820{5}[source]
Regulation shouldn't cause harm for causing harm's sake. We already know prohibition doesn't work, so why did they drag their feet on repealing regulation that is both harmful and ineffective, is my concern.

Also to answer your question about weed stocks: I used to own cannabis stocks but dumped them about a year ago. Big mistake! They've doubled in price over the last week presumably from this news.

21. aidenn0 ◴[] No.40214824{3}[source]
Yeah, now that it's "windows open" weather, we are smelling it a lot; source is definitely in the over 50 demographic.
22. 7jjjjjjj ◴[] No.40214877{4}[source]
It's wild to me that people think "buying votes" is a bad thing. The whole point of democracy is to align the interests of the state's leaders to its population. If anything, politicians don't buy votes often enough!
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23. nerdjon ◴[] No.40214987[source]
In fairness we do also see the opposite, which is kind of a problem with the 2 term system.

In a presidents first term they are incentivized to do just enough to not piss of the other side enough to get some crazy numbers out but do enough to appease the current voters that they tried.

But then in the second term any worry about being re-elected goes out the window.

Like I am still convinced that Obama was in support of gay marriage before he publicly said it, and just waited until after he was re-elected. At that point what was he going to loose?

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24. thegrim33 ◴[] No.40214997{3}[source]
A third of the population, 111 million citizens, do not want it legalized. I wouldn't consider that "popular among everyone". https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/10/facts-abo...
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25. triceratops ◴[] No.40215105{4}[source]
Your own link says it's 70% in favor of legalization and 29% against. 29% is as close to "a quarter of the population" as it is to "a third of the population" - 400 basis points.

Putting it another way nearly 3 quarters of citizens want it legalized. That's massive. It's as close to unanimous consensus as you can get on a hot-button issue like drugs.

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26. vuln ◴[] No.40215294{5}[source]
The timing is complete bullshit. Politicians “pocket” issues like this and pull them out during an election year “look how much I care about you!!! Vote for me!!!” They could have and should have done this a very long time ago.

It’s obvious to everyone that the democrats are losing their bread a butter voters, young people and black folks. This gets waved around for the nth time and everyone gets excited.

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27. cheeseomlit ◴[] No.40215346{5}[source]
Politician runs on a platform of 'Hey 51% of the population, if you vote for me I'll take the other 49%'s money and give it to you!', proceeds to win by 2%. Democracy in action!
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29. realce ◴[] No.40215483{3}[source]
If you prefer speedy executive action, perhaps American democracy isn't for your tastes.
30. Overtonwindow ◴[] No.40215665[source]
I think it dovetails with the Administration's recent pausing of outlawing menthol cigarettes which has been reported as adversely effecting African Americans. It's blatantly political, which giving the people what they want and all, but it's disingenuous when these things only occur at election time. The President could have done this on day one.
31. flawsofar ◴[] No.40216171{6}[source]
are you really going on a downvote revenge spree? lol
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32. philipkglass ◴[] No.40216237{7}[source]
On HN you can't downvote a direct reply to your own comment, so vuln did not downvote your reply.
33. romellem ◴[] No.40216313[source]
It has been a multi-year effort to get the DEA to reclassify marijuana, starting in 2022. It starts with the President telling the HHS to provide a new recommendation to the DEA, and the finally for the DEA to decide what to do on that recommendation.

- https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

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34. kbelder ◴[] No.40216546{5}[source]
I wish it was completely legal and completely non-normalized.
35. thegrim33 ◴[] No.40217845{5}[source]
So, just to clarify, you're actually taking issue with me referring to 29% as one third, while you have no issue referring to 70% as 100%? Either way, there's still over a hundred million human beings living in your country that disagree with you. Call it whatever you want but don't dismiss it.
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36. triceratops ◴[] No.40218042{6}[source]
> while you have no issue referring to 70% as 100%?

And you have no issue putting words in my mouth. I said it was close to three-quarters, is "massive" and that you can't get closer to unanimous than that.

> Call it whatever you want but don't dismiss it.

29% want to lock up the other 71% for consuming a plant. And we don't know for sure that all of that 29% are entirely clean themselves.

So why not dismiss it? Why does the 29%'s opinion matter here? If 29% of the population said you should jail people for premarital sex, or smoking, or wearing shorts, or whistling in elevators, would you take them seriously?

A simple majority or supermajority is more than enough to legalize or abolish anything. Pretty much no issue requires 100% of everyone to agree.

37. gabesullice ◴[] No.40220622[source]
The President is the chief executive of both agencies. He didn't need to have one agency recommend it to the other for consideration over a multi-year timescale. It could have been executed within a few weeks to a few months. The office of the President knowingly chose a prolonged approach.

I feel it is misleading to call it an "effort", as if the President was struggling against the very agencies that he was elected to lead, decisively. Congress is supposed to be the slow-moving deliberative rule-making body.

If he really did struggle, it would say a lot about the growth of the administrative state and would highlight a constitutional health issue.