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1002 points genericlemon24 | 17 comments | | HN request time: 0.98s | source | bottom
1. didip ◴[] No.45149420[source]
996 as an employee, especially for companies that don’t offer fast growing stocks, is a super bad deal.

996 for a business owner or top exec at a big company? It’s the norm. And the risk-reward makes sense to them.

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2. stego-tech ◴[] No.45149501[source]
They’re removed from the realities of the working class. They have staff, live in a separate bubble from their workers with different social circles, different services, different mores and norms.

Executives make shitty decisions because they surround themselves with others who view wealth as a leaderboard to be climbed and flaunted, and have no fucking clue how difficult things are for the people doing the actual work creating products/services/value to the company. For those who claim to relate to the plight of the worker, their frame of mind is stuck in that precise moment just before they became fabulously wealthy, when they were likely busting ass - hence the “hard work pays off”/bootstrap mythos they peddle.

The few executives that do understand these plights, don’t make such shitty decisions, and are either roundly mocked for their lack of growth by those whose wealth was built atop the literal corpses of their workers, or occasionally featured in human interest pieces as an executive that’s strangely generous.

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3. zaik ◴[] No.45149508[source]
Lack of sleep?
4. manoDev ◴[] No.45149568[source]
> 996 for a business owner or top exec at a big company? It’s the norm. And the risk-reward makes sense to them.

It's bad anyway. These people burnout and start making dumb moves to bail out sooner.

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5. Kapura ◴[] No.45149570{3}[source]
maybe i've spent too much time trying to make computers operate efficiently, but it strikes me that if a process a) takes more time than should be necessary and b) produces sub-optimal results, we should maybe pursue other processes.

and stop paying these idiots 7+ figures.

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6. Fraterkes ◴[] No.45149607[source]
In my spare time I code my own projects, I draw, I talk and write about my ideas. So yes, I'm also "working" on stuff for 12 hours a day, but obviously the work I do for myself, based on decisions I made myself, and the talking and thinking, are not at all "work" in the same manner that the drudgery of an actual job is work. The work I do for money is not just time-consuming and tiring, it's hard and boring and most importantly, often meaningless to me.

A ceo trades time and peace for money, and that is arguably difficult in it's own ways. But that doesn't make it work in the same way that what you and I do is work. These people do not work a 100 hours a week. They live charmed lives that also happen to often be exhausting.

7. jennyholzer ◴[] No.45149689[source]
cruelty is fetishized in American (and particularly in corporate/executive) culture

to quote my namesake: "abuse of power comes as no surprise"

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8. tremon ◴[] No.45149695{4}[source]
a) takes more time than should be necessary

b) produces sub-optimal results

Both of these claims are empty. Necessary according to whom? Sub-optimal against which metrics? All industrial processes are inefficient in some way because you're always dealing with engineering trade-offs. Staying in the computer domain: show me a system with optimal latency and I will show you an underutilized system; show me a system optimized for high-throughput and I will show you a system with erratic latency behaviour.

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9. jennyholzer ◴[] No.45149733{4}[source]
they aren't idiots, they're kings.

you don't just stop paying the king.

10. jennyholzer ◴[] No.45149736{5}[source]
good contrarian comment, +1
11. reaperducer ◴[] No.45149912{3}[source]
cruelty is fetishized in American (and particularly in corporate/executive) culture

Cruelty in business existed for hundreds of years before there even was an America.

12. gyomu ◴[] No.45149926[source]
Heh, at that level the job is just meetings and emails. You can do 996 of meetings and emails for a few millions a year without burning out.

Actual craft tasks like writing code tho? Definitely a recipe for burnout and shittier output, yep.

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13. jakelazaroff ◴[] No.45150016{5}[source]
Fair point in general. With regard to 996 specifically, though, I think most of us recognize that we're talking about a system that is both less resilient to stress and fails to achieve higher throughput than the status quo alternative.
14. NaomiLehman ◴[] No.45150429{3}[source]
I burned out after a year and a half of doing that. Not worth it. And after a certain NW, what's the difference? How much money do you need?
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16. herval ◴[] No.45150796{3}[source]
As someone who had to 996 as a coder and as a manager, I can guarantee you the burnout is MUCH faster on the latter. A 996 schedule of zoom calls is straight up torture. I could feel myself getting dumber after a few months.

As a coder, you can accommodate downtimes on that schedule. You also see the result of your work (even code compiling is a dopamine hit). None of that exists if you’re meeting customers and investors - you’re playing the odds all day long and have to be 100% on all the time.

17. ponector ◴[] No.45151995[source]
Are they making more dog shit decisions than average Joe? Magnitude of the decisions are bigger, of course.

Also what is the bad decision for CEO? To lay off 25% of stuff to boost quarterly profits, boost stock price is not a bad decision if you are a shareholder...