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    I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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    1009 points n1b0m | 12 comments | 19 Mar 25 11:21 UTC | HN request time: 1.247s | source | bottom
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    drumhead ◴[19 Mar 25 12:41 UTC] No.43411088[source]▶
    If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjected to their own more oppressive and never ending hells, like being deported to a prison camp in Ecuador with no idea when you'd ever be released.

    New America is absolutely terrifying.

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    jajko ◴[19 Mar 25 12:56 UTC] No.43411264[source]▶
    Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like.

    The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly?

    Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently.

    We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.

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    twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:06 UTC] No.43411381[source]▶
    Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs?

    (This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

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    1. otikik ◴[19 Mar 25 13:18 UTC] No.43411547[source]▶
    > Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants

    EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet:

    https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/

    It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

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    2. twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:31 UTC] No.43411726[source]▶
    If the rents go up and a native couple that still remembers the living standards of their parents is forced to raise a family in two rooms, they will not have children. Immigrants used to that situation might.

    There are other solutions, e.g. that the wealthy boomers pay with their houses for their retirements or are forced to rent out their huge properties.

    The retirement ponzi scheme needs to stop at some point anyway. With automation one might also need fewer workers.

    Most importantly, many immigrants receive social security and are not employed.

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    4. ethbr1 ◴[19 Mar 25 13:53 UTC] No.43412023[source]▶
    There are multiple simultaneous problems:

    - A political unwillingness to reign in private capital that's exacerbating resident housing shortages / rent increases (read: AirBnb)

    - An infrastructure underinvestment in building sufficient new housing (or motivating current housing owners to densify)

    - An underappreciation (Germany) that one can't switch energy mix at nation-scale without first building replacement capacity

    - (Europe at least has far more child-rearing-friendly policies than the US)

    But all of that is a "maintain demographic shape AND ___" problem.

    Countries with inverted demographic pyramids go financially south very quickly.

    At best, there are some extremely hard compromises to make (higher taxes on a smaller working base, or decreased social/retirement benefits).

    At worst, there are no solutions to balancing a budget and things spiral out of control quickly.

    It's underappreciated that "young immigrant labor is funding the country".

    5. seanw444 ◴[19 Mar 25 15:06 UTC] No.43412984[source]▶
    People don't want the responsibility of having kids and raising them properly, so they substitute their posterity for foreigners as a bandaid fix. EU is truly a yikes.
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    6. imtringued ◴[19 Mar 25 15:21 UTC] No.43413199[source]▶
    The "immigration crisis" is silently saving the retirement programs of EU countries. People are xenophobic to the point of willingly engaging in self sabotaging their countries.
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    7. mrguyorama ◴[19 Mar 25 17:07 UTC] No.43414623[source]▶
    People would literally rather die impoverished, uncared for, and with no dignity in a failing system than maybe have a few brown people around who casually speak a different language and yet, by the testimony of everyone I've ever asked work ten times harder than any local for literally anything.

    Like, it's not a perfect solution, there are growing pains, but an adult someone else paid to give a high school education is an insanely good resource. The US's entire gimmick and history has been getting millions of poor immigrants with different ideas and a shred of hope and putting them to work building our country.

    But nononono we definitely didn't do this bullshit already with chinese, japanese, german, italian, irish, african, jewish, polish, etc etc etc people. Don't you know it's utterly impossible for people from another country to ever get along with locals? They definitely don't consider themselves just "American" after three generations very reliably, no that would be too easy!

    God forbid people in ten generations have slightly darker skin I guess.

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    8. otikik ◴[19 Mar 25 18:26 UTC] No.43415616[source]▶
    That is an extremely simplistic view.
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    9. Vilian ◴[20 Mar 25 10:39 UTC] No.43421523{3}[source]▶
    Excellent summary of how a us-american think
    10. account42 ◴[20 Mar 25 12:36 UTC] No.43422262[source]▶
    Lack of offspring is a direct result of cultural and financial policies that tell people they shouldn't settle down and prevent them from affording it. You can fix that instead of giving up your country's identity.
    11. account42 ◴[20 Mar 25 12:43 UTC] No.43422332{3}[source]▶
    > People would literally rather die impoverished, uncared for, and with no dignity in a failing system

    False equivalence. You don't have to give up your country to fix it.

    > than maybe have a few brown people around who casually speak a different language

    The state of most larger european cities is already well beyond that, bringing with it tons of problems.

    > "work ten times harder than any local for literally anything"

    That's literally saying they help companies regress the standard of living that locals have fought for.

    Meanwhile overall these economic migrants are a net negative financial impact overall because most of them do not come to work but to benefit from generous social programs that they have never paid into.

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    12. thomasingalls ◴[21 Mar 25 08:35 UTC] No.43433163{4}[source]▶
    What country are you even talking about? You seem very determined to tell everyone this is the way the world is, but steadfastly fail to show any evidence.