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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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1009 points n1b0m | 4 comments | 19 Mar 25 11:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.88s | source
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drumhead ◴[19 Mar 25 12:41 UTC] No.43411088[source]▶
If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjected to their own more oppressive and never ending hells, like being deported to a prison camp in Ecuador with no idea when you'd ever be released.

New America is absolutely terrifying.

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jajko ◴[19 Mar 25 12:56 UTC] No.43411264[source]▶
Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like.

The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly?

Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently.

We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.

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twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:06 UTC] No.43411381[source]▶
Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs?

(This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

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otikik ◴[19 Mar 25 13:18 UTC] No.43411547[source]▶
> Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants

EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/

It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

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1. imtringued ◴[19 Mar 25 15:21 UTC] No.43413199[source]▶
The "immigration crisis" is silently saving the retirement programs of EU countries. People are xenophobic to the point of willingly engaging in self sabotaging their countries.
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2. mrguyorama ◴[19 Mar 25 17:07 UTC] No.43414623[source]▶
People would literally rather die impoverished, uncared for, and with no dignity in a failing system than maybe have a few brown people around who casually speak a different language and yet, by the testimony of everyone I've ever asked work ten times harder than any local for literally anything.

Like, it's not a perfect solution, there are growing pains, but an adult someone else paid to give a high school education is an insanely good resource. The US's entire gimmick and history has been getting millions of poor immigrants with different ideas and a shred of hope and putting them to work building our country.

But nononono we definitely didn't do this bullshit already with chinese, japanese, german, italian, irish, african, jewish, polish, etc etc etc people. Don't you know it's utterly impossible for people from another country to ever get along with locals? They definitely don't consider themselves just "American" after three generations very reliably, no that would be too easy!

God forbid people in ten generations have slightly darker skin I guess.

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3. account42 ◴[20 Mar 25 12:43 UTC] No.43422332[source]▶
> People would literally rather die impoverished, uncared for, and with no dignity in a failing system

False equivalence. You don't have to give up your country to fix it.

> than maybe have a few brown people around who casually speak a different language

The state of most larger european cities is already well beyond that, bringing with it tons of problems.

> "work ten times harder than any local for literally anything"

That's literally saying they help companies regress the standard of living that locals have fought for.

Meanwhile overall these economic migrants are a net negative financial impact overall because most of them do not come to work but to benefit from generous social programs that they have never paid into.

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4. thomasingalls ◴[21 Mar 25 08:35 UTC] No.43433163{3}[source]▶
What country are you even talking about? You seem very determined to tell everyone this is the way the world is, but steadfastly fail to show any evidence.