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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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1009 points n1b0m | 2 comments | 19 Mar 25 11:21 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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drumhead ◴[19 Mar 25 12:41 UTC] No.43411088[source]▶
If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjected to their own more oppressive and never ending hells, like being deported to a prison camp in Ecuador with no idea when you'd ever be released.

New America is absolutely terrifying.

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jajko ◴[19 Mar 25 12:56 UTC] No.43411264[source]▶
Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like.

The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly?

Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently.

We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.

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twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:06 UTC] No.43411381[source]▶
Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs?

(This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

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otikik ◴[19 Mar 25 13:18 UTC] No.43411547[source]▶
> Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants

EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/

It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

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1. twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:31 UTC] No.43411726[source]▶
If the rents go up and a native couple that still remembers the living standards of their parents is forced to raise a family in two rooms, they will not have children. Immigrants used to that situation might.

There are other solutions, e.g. that the wealthy boomers pay with their houses for their retirements or are forced to rent out their huge properties.

The retirement ponzi scheme needs to stop at some point anyway. With automation one might also need fewer workers.

Most importantly, many immigrants receive social security and are not employed.

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2. ethbr1 ◴[19 Mar 25 13:53 UTC] No.43412023[source]▶
There are multiple simultaneous problems:

- A political unwillingness to reign in private capital that's exacerbating resident housing shortages / rent increases (read: AirBnb)

- An infrastructure underinvestment in building sufficient new housing (or motivating current housing owners to densify)

- An underappreciation (Germany) that one can't switch energy mix at nation-scale without first building replacement capacity

- (Europe at least has far more child-rearing-friendly policies than the US)

But all of that is a "maintain demographic shape AND ___" problem.

Countries with inverted demographic pyramids go financially south very quickly.

At best, there are some extremely hard compromises to make (higher taxes on a smaller working base, or decreased social/retirement benefits).

At worst, there are no solutions to balancing a budget and things spiral out of control quickly.

It's underappreciated that "young immigrant labor is funding the country".