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    Epic Allows Internet Archive to Distribute Unreal and Unreal Tournament Forever

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    466 points chocmake | 14 comments | 20 Nov 24 03:15 UTC | HN request time: 0.856s | source | bottom
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    modeless ◴[20 Nov 24 05:32 UTC] No.42191063[source]▶
    I wish they would GPL it like Quake. Even if it was missing some proprietary dependencies I bet the community could replace them.

    I recently helped port ioquake3 to the web, complete with UDP multiplayer, and set up an online demo using the internet archive's copy of the Quake III demo: https://thelongestyard.link It would be cool to be able to do the same with Unreal Tournament.

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    1. deafpolygon ◴[20 Nov 24 06:12 UTC] No.42191223[source]▶
    Im willing to bet the code for UT is being used for Fortnite.
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    2. pests ◴[20 Nov 24 06:16 UTC] No.42191242[source]▶
    My first introduction to Unreal was via the "Unreal Tournament: Game of the Year Edition" right around the year 2000. I fondly remember some of those maps (Facing Worlds for one) but to think that lineage ends up at Fornite is crazy to me.
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    3. mikepurvis ◴[20 Nov 24 06:25 UTC] No.42191271[source]▶
    That shouldn’t have any impact on its ability to be relicensed and open sourced though— any secret sauce in Fortnite is elsewhere, and arguably none of it is code, but rather in asset-level stuff like game/map/character design and monetization/progression strategy.
    4. numpad0 ◴[20 Nov 24 07:23 UTC] No.42191522[source]▶
    It doesn't make a lot of intuitive sense, but code can be released under multiple different licenses. A 1:1 relationship between code and its terms is not required.
    5. jsiepkes ◴[20 Nov 24 07:39 UTC] No.42191589[source]▶
    It's a 25 year old game engine. There is not going to be anything in it which they consider a trade secret today.
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    6. iakov ◴[20 Nov 24 08:01 UTC] No.42191700[source]▶
    Oh man, I loved that game as a kid. I did not have internet back then, but I didn’t care - I spent hours playing against bots. I still remember the voice taunts and callouts (“I slaughtered that guy!”) and creative maps like ctf_face. Then there were the built in gameplay mods like insta-gib and low gravity, fun guns like Redeemer - kept me glued to the screen for hours. I did not understand why people are playing CS at the computer clubs - UT was a much better and bigger game! Thanks for a trip down the memory lane. Good, simple times.
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    7. zelos ◴[20 Nov 24 08:14 UTC] No.42191750{3}[source]▶
    "I did not understand why people are playing CS at the computer clubs..."

    I was the same. UT was so much fun - bouncing flak cannon shrapnel round corners! But my LAN group all wanted to play CS or that UT mod that was similar (Tactical Ops?).

    8. pests ◴[20 Nov 24 08:16 UTC] No.42191762{3}[source]▶
    I don't think I knew too much about computers or gaming at that age to figure all that out. I just played the base mode.

    My introduction to programming was thru a different game (Subspace VIE, a MMO on dialup back in the 90s later community-remade as Continuum) when squad had a login page at a domain. I really wondered how example.com/?login worked and that led me to where I am today.

    9. jsheard ◴[20 Nov 24 09:04 UTC] No.42192030[source]▶
    Even the current Unreal Engine doesn't have much in the way of trade secrets, its entire source code is available on GitHub for anyone to look at (aside from the console-specific parts bound by NDAs).
    10. ZaoLahma ◴[20 Nov 24 09:19 UTC] No.42192118[source]▶
    The base game was fantastic. Never could say no to a game on dm-morpheus. But what really made it great for me were the total conversion mods.

    I spent probably thousands of hours playing Infiltration back in the day. I can't imagine how much time and energy must have been poured into completely re-doing a game like that.

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    11. rounce ◴[20 Nov 24 09:44 UTC] No.42192255{3}[source]▶
    That’s a name that brings back memories. Infiltration was so far ahead of its time, and it’s interesting to look at how many of its features are now standard on even run-and-gun FPS these days.
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    12. ZaoLahma ◴[20 Nov 24 09:59 UTC] No.42192343{4}[source]▶
    Indeed. It's a shame that Sentry Studios never transitioned into a "proper" game development studio. They were at least 10 years ahead of the curve.

    But it's good that the games industry caught up so the infiltration-itch can be scratched in other ways.

    13. Melonotromo ◴[20 Nov 24 12:02 UTC] No.42193104[source]▶
    Fortnite uses Unreal Engine 5, the most advanced Game Engine in existens which sourcecode is freely available for a few years now.

    Open sourcing old stuff is a lot of effort. You need to find all people involved or know the legal status of the copyright. You need to go through all the code in case you had some properitary stuff in there which you might have paid for. And you need to do all of this next to what you normally do without a direct benefit.

    14. bloqs ◴[20 Nov 24 12:30 UTC] No.42193337[source]▶
    Facing worlds liquid drum and bass soundtrack (and the rest of the games) was the basis for my music interest!