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    318 points alexzeitler | 13 comments | | HN request time: 0.624s | source | bottom
    1. baxtr ◴[] No.42188500[source]
    I learned something important early in my career: the first number you put out will be remembered.

    Unfortunately it’s often true. People keep saying: "but didn’t you initially say X?"

    "Sure I did, but I have new knowledge" won't always work.

    A nasty side-effect is that people who are aware of this shy away from giving you numbers.

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    2. floren ◴[] No.42188541[source]
    > Kirk: Mr. Scott. Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?

    > Scotty: Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?

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    3. darekkay ◴[] No.42188563[source]
    > the first number you put out will be remembered

    This is called anchoring effect, a psychological bias.

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    4. dhosek ◴[] No.42188890[source]
    There’s a whole generation of developers who have internalized this.
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    5. ikiris ◴[] No.42188985{3}[source]
    There’s a whole generation of management who have caused this due to their own behavior.
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    7. robocat ◴[] No.42189303[source]
    I think you meant "anchoring bias": https://www.scribbr.com/research-bias/anchoring-bias/

    Anchoring effect is something related but subltley different: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_effect

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    8. kgwgk ◴[] No.42189860{3}[source]
    Is it? If you visit

    https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases#Anch...

    and follow the first link labeled

      Main article: Anchoring (cognitive bias)
    
    you may be surprised.

    Actually, you may also read the first link you sent and be equally surprised:

      Anchoring bias (also known as anchoring heuristic or anchoring effect)
    
    https://www.scribbr.com/research-bias/anchoring-bias/#what
    9. dtgriscom ◴[] No.42190657[source]
    My rule: list all the tasks, estimate times for each task, add up all the estimates, and multiply the results by π. If you're using unknown technology, use π^2.
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    10. vander_elst ◴[] No.42191326[source]
    My method is take an educated guess multiply by 2 add 1 as extra buffer and then change it to the next unit, e.g. day->week, week->month, months->quarter. So for something that it should take 1 day I'd say 3 weeks. It seems a lot but at the end there's usually so much red tape, burocracy and and technical debt that it usually ends in the latter ballpark.
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    11. baxtr ◴[] No.42191882[source]
    Nice algorithm!
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    12. EasyMark ◴[] No.42197147{3}[source]
    I do something similar but I use the Indiana version of 3.2 https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30214/new-math-time-indi...
    13. dizhn ◴[] No.42202148{3}[source]
    Governments around the world must be using it too where a year turns into 3 decades.