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Europe's EV sales surge 26% in 2025 while Tesla faces decline

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65 points doener | 2 comments | 23 Sep 25 10:42 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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anovikov ◴[23 Sep 25 10:47 UTC] No.45345257[source]▶
Too little and too late. Draconian measures are necessary to push automakers into compliance and to push consumers to buy. It's expensive unless we want to sell out to China completely, but necessary and in the end, affordable.
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aurareturn ◴[23 Sep 25 10:51 UTC] No.45345279[source]▶

  sell out to China completely
Let China sell tens of billions of affordable EVs to Europe. Let Europe sell tens of billions of ASML EUV machines and Airbus planes to China.

Sell what each region is best at. Mutual benefits. Crazy idea right?

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porridgeraisin ◴[23 Sep 25 11:39 UTC] No.45345590[source]▶
EUV machines are not europe's to sell. It's all american owned IP and the "EUV part" itself is american manufactured.
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pjc50 ◴[23 Sep 25 11:44 UTC] No.45345625[source]▶
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASML_Holding

> ASML Holding N.V. (commonly shortened to ASML, originally standing for Advanced Semiconductor Materials Lithography) is a Dutch multinational corporation

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FirmwareBurner ◴[23 Sep 25 12:11 UTC] No.45345874[source]▶
ASML just makes the steppers. The EUV secret sauce is made by Cymer in the US and uses US R&D licensed of Sandia Labs. US can always retract the EUV license and sell the Cymer light sources to Canon or Nikon if they wish. ASML has no EU golden goose of its own that's why it has to obey US rules and policies.
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0_____0 ◴[23 Sep 25 12:33 UTC] No.45346136[source]▶
Cymer is now a business unit of ASML.

I can't immediately find reference to them licensing from Sandia, although I do see a mention of a collaboration with LLNL.

How'd you work this out and can you link a resource or publication?

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1. FirmwareBurner ◴[23 Sep 25 15:05 UTC] No.45348105[source]▶
>Cymer is now a business unit of ASML.

Operating on US soil, in US jurisdiction under US laws.

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2. porridgeraisin ◴[23 Sep 25 15:57 UTC] No.45348836[source]▶
And it's a JV with DoE meaning all the usual security rules and in practice the dutch are completely firewalled from everything, they don't even have access to the EUV tech.