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1. duxup ◴[] No.42724831[source]
I was pretty skeptical about the original Switch but bought it on a whim after being laid off.

It quickly became one of my favorite gaming consoles. The ability to play anywhere didn’t seem like a big deal until I could do it.

I have zero interest in being tied to a single spot like the traditional console experience now.

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2. markgreene ◴[] No.42725144[source]
cloud gaming has given me this same revelation. It's as portable as a Switch but the gaming experience isn't limited by the hardware in hand. Connectivity is important for the experience, though.
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3. machinekob ◴[] No.42725235[source]
cloud gaming is good if you live close to the servers and don't care about graphics, but playing with +60-100ms for every action feels very bad. It almost feels like playing on 15-20 fps PC and quality of streaming video is always a problem compared to native quality maybe AV1 will fix it.
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4. joseda-hg ◴[] No.42725321{3}[source]
I have gigabit, but no servers that are close, it's... rough
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5. koromak ◴[] No.42725440{3}[source]
Yeah my experience has been thats its basically unplayable. I'm the kind of person who refunds when a game is <60fps though.
6. TingPing ◴[] No.42725552{4}[source]
Streaming in the same house still isn’t very good. Games are very latency sensitive.
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7. duxup ◴[] No.42725563[source]
Yeah I gave GeForceNow a run and I really liked it. There are limits but I like just firing up a game regardless of platform.
8. ToucanLoucan ◴[] No.42725598[source]
The Switch is genuinely one of the last pieces of hardware I was really excited about, and I can't say that about much anymore. It's extremely well put together, I've repaired mine a number of times with no issues (honestly opening anything made in Japan is a joy, the engineering is so good) and the specs leave a lot to be desired, which is unfortunate, but at the same time, you wouldn't know it while using it. The XBox is such a curmudgeonly slow experience to use, everything in the menus takes forever to load, the dash jerks and lags, and it's just like... this machine can run Halo Infinite, why does it struggle so damn hard with just... boxes and jpegs?

The Switch has a similar issue occasionally in the store application, but outside of that, settings are snappy, updates are practically instant, it turns on and off so quickly. It's what consoles are supposed to be.

And honestly in this same vein, the PS5 is also bloody impressive, but that impressiveness came with an impressive price too. The Switch costing as little as it did and still holding it's own is so cool.

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9. lostmsu ◴[] No.42725713{4}[source]
Shameless self-PR: we are building p2p cloud gaming at https://borg.games

You should get low latency as long as anyone in your city joins as a provider.

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10. op00to ◴[] No.42726256{5}[source]
My kid plays fortnite using home streaming to an xbox, and says he doesn't notice the latency. I do the same on an Asus ROG Ally, and it's "good enough". I am not a competitive FPV player, but suffer from OCD and notice latency and it tweaks me hard.
11. _fat_santa ◴[] No.42726700[source]
The Switch was the first device where i saw how well the mobile + docked system worked and it was my favorite device until I got a Steam Deck. The Deck is killer IMO because it takes the same form factor of the Switch, gives you more power and no restrictions on games.
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12. erwincoumans ◴[] No.42726716[source]
Except for the drifting joycons problems. We had to replace many. Hope Switch2 fixes that drift.
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13. mh- ◴[] No.42726833{5}[source]
Did clicking on the Rent my PC tab really try to benchmark my GPU through my browser, or did I accidentally click another button on that page inadvertently that triggered that?

If the former, that's a terrible idea. If the latter, that button really needs a confirmation and explanation of what's about to happen.

I'm viewing on an Intel Mac and it hung my entire computer for like 15 seconds. I didn't even connect that it was related to viewing your site until I got the error at the end and everything unfroze.

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14. bombcar ◴[] No.42726915{3}[source]
I kind of like the joy con issue, as it means I can send the controllers back to Nintendo and get them fixed for free, even when the problem isn't the joycon - it's the kids destroying the controller.

https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/region/d/joycon...

(Nintendo has always had excellent support - I remember getting a Gamecube refurbished long after the Wii was everywhere).

15. irrational ◴[] No.42726939[source]
No restrictions, except you can't play the Zelda, Mario, etc. games.
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16. brink ◴[] No.42726985[source]
Streaming videos, leasing cars, cloud gaming, spotify, are all great until the distributor takes it away.

I prefer to own my things. The sense that something is mine increases the pleasure of using something for me.

It probably stems from my acquired lack of trust in people. The idea that there's a suit in a high-rise building that spends their days thinking about how to exploit my continued enjoyment of a title by raising the fee, or not addressing congestion hours, or retracting the title when the contract is up and renewing would cost too much, or putting a clause in the service agreement that strips me of my right to sue them if I lose an arm in their amusement park, simply by blurring the lines of ownership.. it bothers me.

17. ToucanLoucan ◴[] No.42727065{3}[source]
Honestly I swapped them myself both in the Joycons and in the Pro controller a couple times each over the years. The modules cost like $15 through Amazon or Ebay, and unlike the XBox controller, they're separate modules with a ribbon connector instead of soldered in, which makes replacing them a breeze.
18. dasKrokodil ◴[] No.42727201{3}[source]
The new one is rumored to feature hall-effect sticks on the Joycons which would hopefully solve that issue.
19. PaulHoule ◴[] No.42727251{5}[source]
Depends on the game. I think I'm more sensitive to latency (less able to compensate) than most people. I couldn't enjoy playing Titanfall until I put my Samsung TV in game mode; I would just get hit and couldn't do anything about it playing League of Legends on my gaming laptop with a 4K monitor, but when I hooked up an external monitor, mirrored the screen, and ran a clock, I took photos showing my laptops' screen was behind by 30 ms. I started playing on an external monitor and started to win. I even found I had a hard time with some 1 player games such as Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet if I didn't run in game mode.

On the other hand, I went through a phase where I did a lot of streaming from my PC to a NVIDIA Shield and an XBOX. Sometimes through wired Ethernet, something through an airMAX microwave link to my other house. Games like Persona 5 and Orcs Must Die 3 were just fine, but I could not play any Rhythm games, which I have a knack for, High-Fi Rush was no fun at all.

20. xyzzy_plugh ◴[] No.42727358[source]
From a usability perspective, the Steam Deck is pretty good but the Switch blows it out of the water. Fast boot times, you don't need to restart it all the time, games don't crash frequently, controllers just work, it just slots into its dock, a much simpler UI, and no need to futz around with Proton.

The Steam Deck is cool but I waste infinitely more time dicking around with it than the Switch, where it just works. The Switch is the best console I've ever owned.

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21. wincy ◴[] No.42727489{5}[source]
I'm playing single player games via Parsec and the latency feels fine. Moonlight is tolerable but Steam streaming feels terrible for some strange reason. This is running two Wifi 6 devices so nothing is even wired. I often use a controller connected to my laptop, or even better use the wireless controller, connect that to the physical device then you bypass the controller latency and only the video has a lag, which is kind of a neat trick if you're close enough to the computer you're streaming from.

The only sorts of games I can't play are things like Binding of Isaac that are super dependent on reaction speeds, but even games like Elden Ring feel fine.

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22. ben7799 ◴[] No.42727527[source]
We have a switch and an XBox and after liking the 360 back in the day the newer XBoxes just make me want to tear my hair out. They sold us all on bigger and bigger hardware to get rid of load times and they ended up with the system with the worst load times going all the way back to the 70s. Sometimes it seems like it takes 10 minutes to start up and actually play a game, and then there the updates.

My son got a Forza Horizon game for Xmas and it immediately said it needed to download 128GB from the internet before he could play it. With the way it worked out he didn't get to play it on Christmas day as it never finished downloading before we had to go leave to visit relatives.

Just a horrific experience compared to Switch.

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23. jeffhuys ◴[] No.42727565{3}[source]
7ms latency, 4k120fps with geforce now. 10ms on wifi. I'm not kidding.

It's ALMOST perfect. I play BF1 through it. Try it once (I believe they still have the "free for 1hr per session, infinite sessions"? That's what sold it to me).

I can play very intensive games (graphically) on my macbook on the couch. It's amazing, and I couldn't believe the 10ms on wifi. It's mind-blowing.

BUT I live near Amsterdam, where a server cluster is.

Also, about the graphics: I'm borrowing a 4080 every time. Everything is on max. If you're in a very (very) hard scene for compression, then yeah, you'll see (very little) artifacts. But I run it on 75mbit, and that's a LOT.

24. jeffhuys ◴[] No.42727577{5}[source]
Do you expect less than 7ms? Because that's my latency with Geforce Now. Almost unnoticable.
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25. TingPing ◴[] No.42727891{6}[source]
Steam Streaming was what I used which was noticeably delayed, so I should try some alternatives.
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26. OtomotO ◴[] No.42727993{3}[source]
Of course you can.
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27. joseda-hg ◴[] No.42728141{6}[source]
7ms is intra national ping, I have about half a continent to the closest GeForce Now and a bit more to the closest XCloud

200+ ms

28. jamesgeck0 ◴[] No.42728184{3}[source]
Unfortunately the situation with needing to download huge updates is also occasionally present on the Switch. Several third party AAA games (EA sports titles come to mind) ship small cartridges and a require big downloads to the SD card to be playable. Switch game downloads (usually) aren't as large as Xbox/PlayStation downloads, but the wifi chip in the OG model was so slow, they might as well be.
29. philistine ◴[] No.42728208{4}[source]
We all know about piracy buddy, but between having to deal with a Switch emulator and the major pain points of extracting keys to get Tears of the Kingdom to run and putting in a credit card, I'll take the credit card route.
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30. 3vidence ◴[] No.42728682{3}[source]
Was just saying the same thing on another comment!

Feels like the Steam Deck is like a Hot Rod / Muscle car and the Switch is a Toyota Corolla.

Might not be as cool or have as much HP and you aren't going to tinker without it but you can always turn it on and get to your destination.

31. Brendinooo ◴[] No.42728863{3}[source]
New Switch user, believe it or not. I just purchased my second 8BitDo controller with Hall effect joysticks this week. Hoping I can avoid the drift problem by avoiding Joy-Cons! (We usually play on the TV.)
32. jerf ◴[] No.42728980{3}[source]
I like my Steam Deck and would generally personally prefer it over a Switch if I had to choose one. I even use it in the "docked" way where it is both driving the family TV but can also be taken out and used directly.

And they've clearly put so, so much quality work into the Steam Deck. It's absolutely amazing considering the source material.

But it's also hobbled by so much of its library assuming it was built for a desktop PC or a notebook that could pretend to be a desktop. Some of my games react to being docked properly, some do not. Some can handle switching from the integrated controls to an external controller live, some do not. Some can handle switching resolutions, some do not. Some respond well to using the integrated controls to manipulate how much computing power you allocate to the games in real time, some do not. Some games work perfectly with multiple controllers, a couple freak out unless the stars align.

The Switch just works.

But I will say that even as someone who is generally not a graphics snob, the Switch is definitely not just aging, but aged. If all the Switch 2 is is basically "Switch 1 but with 2021-level power instead of 2013-level power" I'd be pretty happy.

33. tshaddox ◴[] No.42729132[source]
It's fascinating how the Switch can be such a different device for different people. I bought my Switch in 2022 and it has remained exclusively docked under my TV since then. I have yet to even conceive of a scenario in which I would want to play it on the go. Perhaps if I went on long flights more than a couple of times a year? But who am I kidding, I would still read or listen to podcasts on the plane.
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34. thaumasiotes ◴[] No.42729350{5}[source]
You don't need to extract keys. Other people have already done that. The "pain point" is just positioning a file in a directory.
35. prmoustache ◴[] No.42729742[source]
Isn't the Steam Deck too bulky to be used comfortably on your sofa for more than a few minutes? I already think that switch 2 seems too big. I'd wish the regular switch was the size of the lite already.
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36. OtomotO ◴[] No.42730018{5}[source]
You talk about piracy, I talk about just having to bring a single device of the devices I own with me and using a paid product on another paid device.
37. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[] No.42730370[source]
Play it in bed.
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38. dcrazy ◴[] No.42730413[source]
Airplane is the only time ours comes undocked from the TV.
39. hiatus ◴[] No.42730568{7}[source]
Sunshine on the server and moonlight on the client blows steam link out of the water in terms of latency. Even on my home network with everything on ethernet, steam link would stutter. I sometimes forget I am not directly connected to a computer while on the couch.
40. hiatus ◴[] No.42730621{5}[source]
What does utilization look like? I would be interested in running this on a spare machine but it's not clear how large the potential audience of renters may be in my area.
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41. NicuCalcea ◴[] No.42730999{3}[source]
That's not a restriction, nobody's preventing Nintendo from bringing those games to the platform. I don't currently have pasta at my place, but that's because neither me nor my partner have bought any, not because it's banned from the house.
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42. egypturnash ◴[] No.42731041{3}[source]
YMMV, but I'm not finding any of those to be problems with my Deck.

Reboots take a noticeable length of time and could certainly be faster but they're almost entirely "oh there's a new version of the OS" for me.

I haven't had any problem with games crashing either.

Its native controllers largely Just Work, and it's easy to turn on turbofire or rearrange buttons to work better with Steam Input. When I connect it to the projector and pick up the PS4 controller I have attached to the dock that works fine too, someday I should really try to properly pair it so I can use it wirelessly, but I mostly just play it handheld.

I basically spend zero time futzing around with Proton unless I am trying to get some old PC game to run.

I spent a while fooling around with installing emulators when I first got it, but I never actually touch them in practice, that's the only time I've ever been outside of the Steam UI.

43. woodrowbarlow ◴[] No.42731491{3}[source]
the switch software feels so freaking good too. it feels rock-solid and fast. what really blew me away is how quick system updates are, from start to finish.
44. lostmsu ◴[] No.42731648{6}[source]
Right now the utilization is low (< 10%), but in the effort to prop the providers side the company is footing the bill and paying for availability approximately 50% of what the benchmark on the page tells you. This is a rather common strategy for bootstrapping any two-sided market.
45. WickyNilliams ◴[] No.42731684{3}[source]
Interesting I have had close to zero issues with my deck. Occassionally the audio is crackly when waking from sleep. But it's rare and goes away after a sleep/wake cycle. But then I never really fiddle with settings, at most I cap the FPS for more intensive games. I never dock it either

It's very usable for me. And wakes from sleep almost as quick as switch. That immediacy made switch my favourite console of all time until I got the deck.

46. WickyNilliams ◴[] No.42731706{3}[source]
I found it quite bulky at first, especially after owning a switch. But I adjusted quickly. I don't have large hands either
47. WickyNilliams ◴[] No.42731731{3}[source]
You can get free replacements btw. My original switch from release finally got drift in the latter part of last year. Nintendo had replacements to me within a few days at no cost. Rare to have such a pleasant experience with customer support, it was a flawless process
48. kemayo ◴[] No.42731745{3}[source]
Did you turn on beta OS updates? Because in my experience I have to restart it about every three months when Valve releases an OS update -- but when I had betas turned on, that was every few days instead. (Might also explain some stability issues for you.)

Also: I've seen one crash in the whole time I've owned one, the controllers work perfectly, and I don't think I've ever had to meddle with Proton in any way.

Dock cable going in on the top is a bit fiddly, though, I'll grant you.

49. kemayo ◴[] No.42731758{3}[source]
Personally I find it fine. It's a lot bigger than the Switch, but the grips make it more comfortable to hold overall.
50. izacus ◴[] No.42731978{3}[source]
I found the (non-lite) Switch to be rougher on my hands due to less ergonomic design. Deck is larger and heavier, but it sits nicer in hands.
51. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.42732428[source]
I would say that after being a happy Switch owner for 6 years I still think the portability aspect is useless. It's too big to take with me when I leave the house, and if I'm at home I get a way better experience while docked. I thought it was a stupid gimmick on launch and I still think that. I recognize I'm apparently in the minority, though.
52. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.42732438{3}[source]
I have no desire to do that though. It's uncomfortable to sit up in bed, and uncomfortable to play games lying down.
53. lostmsu ◴[] No.42732466{6}[source]
It does. Sorry about the experience, we will try to improve it.

Having user confirm it is not a good option, because every click is a hassle.

What we could do is first run a very short version of a smaller benchmark, and if that takes too long, don't run the main one. Then the worst case you will have a 100ms lag at this point, which is way better than 5 seconds of reading.

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54. pavon ◴[] No.42732543[source]
The initial reason for me was to play it while others wanted to watch TV. And then once I got used to that, I found myself preferring to play it in other places in the house even when the TV was free - on the porch when the weather is nice, on my comfy reading chair, playing rhythm games on the exercise bike, next to the computer to have quick access to strategy guides, etc.
55. mh- ◴[] No.42732635{7}[source]
It's a neat feature, I just think it'd be ideal to do a confirmation first. It wouldn't be a great experience if it happened on mobile, either.

Every click is a hassle, but principal of least astonishment applies here. Literally not a soul will be expecting that to happen when casually browsing your site.

56. squeaky-clean ◴[] No.42732821{4}[source]
Obviously Nintendo is stopping them from going onto those platforms. It is very much like Spaghetti being banned from the house.
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57. NicuCalcea ◴[] No.42732868{5}[source]
But Steam doesn't restrict Nintendo from releasing their game on the platform, so the platform isn't restricted.

To put it another way, if I invite you to my birthday party, but you say you're busy, does that mean that my house is restricted to you? Are my other friends restricted from hanging out with you because you decided to stay home?

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58. ycombinatrix ◴[] No.42744455{3}[source]
From a usability perspective, I can play Halo on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can play Doom on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can offline Spotify music on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can SSH into my server from a Steam Deck.

The Nintendo Switch is cool but it is infinitely less useful than a Steam Deck. From a usability perspective, it's quite poor. The Steam Deck is the best console I've ever owned :)

59. maxgashkov ◴[] No.42747768[source]
It's nowhere near the 'same form factor'. I'm taking switch to me in almost every trip and I have taken steam deck once and had regret it deeply (too bulky, too noisy, hot and barely lasts a couple of hours).
60. jirf_dev ◴[] No.42762607{7}[source]
“Every click is a hassle” so you created a click that is one big hassle?
61. squeaky-clean ◴[] No.42837463{6}[source]
It's not like saying I'm busy though. It's like you invite me to your birthday and I tell you "Please stop talking to me. I don't want to associate with you."

Or a more apt analogy, your child invites my child to their birthday party. And I tell little Timmy that he is not allowed to go to Johnny's house.