Nintendo announces the Switch 2 [video]

The Switch was the first device where i saw how well the mobile + docked system worked and it was my favorite device until I got a Steam Deck. The Deck is killer IMO because it takes the same form factor of the Switch, gives you more power and no restrictions on games.

No restrictions, except you can't play the Zelda, Mario, etc. games.

From a usability perspective, the Steam Deck is pretty good but the Switch blows it out of the water. Fast boot times, you don't need to restart it all the time, games don't crash frequently, controllers just work, it just slots into its dock, a much simpler UI, and no need to futz around with Proton.

The Steam Deck is cool but I waste infinitely more time dicking around with it than the Switch, where it just works. The Switch is the best console I've ever owned.

Of course you can.

We all know about piracy buddy, but between having to deal with a Switch emulator and the major pain points of extracting keys to get Tears of the Kingdom to run and putting in a credit card, I'll take the credit card route.

Was just saying the same thing on another comment!

Feels like the Steam Deck is like a Hot Rod / Muscle car and the Switch is a Toyota Corolla.

Might not be as cool or have as much HP and you aren't going to tinker without it but you can always turn it on and get to your destination.

I like my Steam Deck and would generally personally prefer it over a Switch if I had to choose one. I even use it in the "docked" way where it is both driving the family TV but can also be taken out and used directly.

And they've clearly put so, so much quality work into the Steam Deck. It's absolutely amazing considering the source material.

But it's also hobbled by so much of its library assuming it was built for a desktop PC or a notebook that could pretend to be a desktop. Some of my games react to being docked properly, some do not. Some can handle switching from the integrated controls to an external controller live, some do not. Some can handle switching resolutions, some do not. Some respond well to using the integrated controls to manipulate how much computing power you allocate to the games in real time, some do not. Some games work perfectly with multiple controllers, a couple freak out unless the stars align.

The Switch just works.

But I will say that even as someone who is generally not a graphics snob, the Switch is definitely not just aging, but aged. If all the Switch 2 is is basically "Switch 1 but with 2021-level power instead of 2013-level power" I'd be pretty happy.

You don't need to extract keys. Other people have already done that. The "pain point" is just positioning a file in a directory.

Isn't the Steam Deck too bulky to be used comfortably on your sofa for more than a few minutes? I already think that switch 2 seems too big. I'd wish the regular switch was the size of the lite already.

You talk about piracy, I talk about just having to bring a single device of the devices I own with me and using a paid product on another paid device.

That's not a restriction, nobody's preventing Nintendo from bringing those games to the platform. I don't currently have pasta at my place, but that's because neither me nor my partner have bought any, not because it's banned from the house.

YMMV, but I'm not finding any of those to be problems with my Deck.

Reboots take a noticeable length of time and could certainly be faster but they're almost entirely "oh there's a new version of the OS" for me.

I haven't had any problem with games crashing either.

Its native controllers largely Just Work, and it's easy to turn on turbofire or rearrange buttons to work better with Steam Input. When I connect it to the projector and pick up the PS4 controller I have attached to the dock that works fine too, someday I should really try to properly pair it so I can use it wirelessly, but I mostly just play it handheld.

I basically spend zero time futzing around with Proton unless I am trying to get some old PC game to run.

I spent a while fooling around with installing emulators when I first got it, but I never actually touch them in practice, that's the only time I've ever been outside of the Steam UI.

the switch software feels so freaking good too. it feels rock-solid and fast. what really blew me away is how quick system updates are, from start to finish.

Interesting I have had close to zero issues with my deck. Occassionally the audio is crackly when waking from sleep. But it's rare and goes away after a sleep/wake cycle. But then I never really fiddle with settings, at most I cap the FPS for more intensive games. I never dock it either

It's very usable for me. And wakes from sleep almost as quick as switch. That immediacy made switch my favourite console of all time until I got the deck.

I found it quite bulky at first, especially after owning a switch. But I adjusted quickly. I don't have large hands either

Did you turn on beta OS updates? Because in my experience I have to restart it about every three months when Valve releases an OS update -- but when I had betas turned on, that was every few days instead. (Might also explain some stability issues for you.)

Also: I've seen one crash in the whole time I've owned one, the controllers work perfectly, and I don't think I've ever had to meddle with Proton in any way.

Dock cable going in on the top is a bit fiddly, though, I'll grant you.

Personally I find it fine. It's a lot bigger than the Switch, but the grips make it more comfortable to hold overall.

I found the (non-lite) Switch to be rougher on my hands due to less ergonomic design. Deck is larger and heavier, but it sits nicer in hands.

Obviously Nintendo is stopping them from going onto those platforms. It is very much like Spaghetti being banned from the house.

But Steam doesn't restrict Nintendo from releasing their game on the platform, so the platform isn't restricted.

To put it another way, if I invite you to my birthday party, but you say you're busy, does that mean that my house is restricted to you? Are my other friends restricted from hanging out with you because you decided to stay home?

From a usability perspective, I can play Halo on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can play Doom on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can offline Spotify music on my Steam Deck.

From a usability perspective, I can SSH into my server from a Steam Deck.

The Nintendo Switch is cool but it is infinitely less useful than a Steam Deck. From a usability perspective, it's quite poor. The Steam Deck is the best console I've ever owned :)

It's nowhere near the 'same form factor'. I'm taking switch to me in almost every trip and I have taken steam deck once and had regret it deeply (too bulky, too noisy, hot and barely lasts a couple of hours).

It's not like saying I'm busy though. It's like you invite me to your birthday and I tell you "Please stop talking to me. I don't want to associate with you."

Or a more apt analogy, your child invites my child to their birthday party. And I tell little Timmy that he is not allowed to go to Johnny's house.