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timoth3y ◴[] No.42466636[source]
The entire history of the music business is one of attorneys developing ever more inventive ways of screwing over musicians.

The sad thing (for artists) is that it seems like most Spotify listeners don't care.

Most of our music consumption today seems to be as a kind of background vibe rather than an appreciation of the music itself.

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amelius ◴[] No.42466733[source]
It's a good demonstration of how the simple and seemingly solid foundations of our free market can still lead to extreme unfairness.
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equestria ◴[] No.42466811[source]
If a customer wants endless elevator music, then I don't think that Spotify is wrong to generate endless elevator music for them. The problem is deception. If you want to listen to human performances, then Spotify should give you choice instead of hoping you don't notice.

Free market means you can vote with your wallet. If you don't, then it says less about markets and more about our stated vs revealed preferences. Maybe we just don't care if real artists go away.

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the_af ◴[] No.42467354[source]
> If a customer wants endless elevator music, then I don't think that Spotify is wrong to generate endless elevator music for them.

Do people really want low effort things, or are they addicted to them in a loop that businesses are only too happy to reinforce?

I think public tastes are at least partially trained (or "learned"), they are very prone to addictive feedback loops, and they are not entirely shaped by something intrinsic but heavily influenced by what's on offer. And if what's on offer is intentionally cheap garbage...

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pxoe ◴[] No.42478735[source]
believe it or not, there are different kinds of music for different kinds of moods and levels of listening to it, levels of attention, engagement, and so on. some songs will be just a bit too engaging to listen to for some things, and some more low key songs might be a better fit.

people settle for "mediocrity" all the time. be it just what you deem "mediocre" (out of cluelessness and/or disrespect), if it's not a "generic idea of a song with lyrics and all" and just some mild electronica, or if it is really just kind of mediocre, which is a good fit in some situations nonetheless, and does actually have wider appeal due to its mediocrity.

"low effort" may overlap, in perception or in how things are actually made, with some simpler, subtler, not overproduced music. it really isn't a bad thing at all, so it's bizarre to see it get shaded so much.

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1. the_af ◴[] No.42536614[source]
But I didn't object to chill music, so I'm not sure what your point is.

I specifically referred to algorithmically generated elevator music, aka "low effort music". Not chill music or music without lyrics.

My point is that people do not want garbage, but get used to it. So we shouldn't let companies producing this shit off the hook because it's "what people want". That's not the full picture, and is far too generous to businesses and advertising.

Surely you're not objecting to the notion that public tastes can be shaped to some degree?