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1. ikmckenz ◴[] No.42474139[source]
Teens aren't doing drugs, smoking, drinking, or having sex. And the suicide rate has never been higher.
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2. hathawsh ◴[] No.42474219[source]
I'm not contradicting you, but it appears that the suicide rate hasn't changed since 2018. See this interactive chart and switch the Injury Type to Suicide:

https://wisqars.cdc.gov/fatal-injury-trends/

That chart shows the rate has hovered around 4000 per month for years. That's 4000 too many, but at least it's not increasing.

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3. ecshafer ◴[] No.42474283[source]
But we are also seeing shrinking amounts of children. So a steady suicide amount in raw terms is an increasing rate.
4. conductr ◴[] No.42474328[source]
I've had is persisting thought that, we as a society have been delaying adulthood, thus extending childhood, with each decade for a while. And we've now pushed it so far that the current cohort of teens simply are effectively young children on a social/emotion perspective making them unprepared to handle the stresses their age is exposing them to.
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5. kube-system ◴[] No.42474475[source]
That is the raw number, not the rate.

Since the spread of social media, suicide rates are up for children, significantly: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db471.pdf

> The suicide rate for people aged 15–19 did not change significantly from 2001 through 2009, then increased 57% from 2009 through 2017

> For people aged 10–14, the suicide rate tripled from 2007 through 2018

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6. FredPret ◴[] No.42474630[source]
There must be a good balance between the grow-up-quick-or-die-horribly of the pre-technology world and the my-cats-are-my-kids life of the post-danger world
7. GeoAtreides ◴[] No.42474763[source]
The age of majority should be the end of a journey, not a bureaucratic milestone.
8. dpndencekultur ◴[] No.42475115[source]
Erich Fromm said this in his "Fear of Freedom" We live in a time that we are able to customize our lives to our delights. That makes us lose perspective and purpose. So we look to movements to fill the void.

That was back in the 50's/60's I think he was spot on why this generation can't see past the last scroll or click. They don't have perspective because they have not been bred to have it. It's very sad.

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9. mmooss ◴[] No.42475794[source]
> Teens aren't ... having sex.

Nor are people in their 20s (that is, both groups are having much less sex). That is the most worrying thing to me. People are not even engaging in the most fundamental, unavoidable, pleasurable human drive.

They seem very much like traumatized people, on a massive scale, just trying to survive.

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10. cosmic_cheese ◴[] No.42476744[source]
I would agree that modern childhood is protracted to what is perhaps a damaging extent, but would also argue that the stresses and anxieties of everyday life are more constant and overbearing than the human psyche is equipped to handle. It’s mot healthy for well-adjusted adults either. We’re built for dangers and stresses that come in relatively short bursts, not those that are without end.
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11. mr_toad ◴[] No.42476798[source]
> I'm not contradicting you, but it appears that the suicide rate hasn't changed since 2018.

Peak social media?

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13. makeitdouble ◴[] No.42476928[source]
> have been delaying adulthood

If you have kids, do you see them as less mature than how you perceived yourself at their age ?

TBH I feel the opposite: current kids have a lot more to deal with, and are expected to be much much more down to earth than a few decades ago. The most basic things: a single post on an SNS can stick with them for the rest of their life, yet we moved half of our social life online.

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14. llm_trw ◴[] No.42476935{3}[source]
In 1924 you would expect to be a child in a family of 5 with two dying before they hit their majority.

We are simply blind to how much even the relatively recent past sucked.

15. reocha ◴[] No.42477271{3}[source]
Disregarding the weird response, you do know 20-29 year olds have the lowest average BMI for adult age groups right?
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16. Henchman21 ◴[] No.42477280[source]
I think we all realize deep down there are too many humans on this planet.
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17. llm_trw ◴[] No.42477341{4}[source]
Higher than the 40-50 year olds when I was that age.
18. robertoandred ◴[] No.42477350[source]
When you don't get matches, it's pretty easy to avoid sex.
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19. bonestamp2 ◴[] No.42477378{3}[source]
... and if everyone is always on screens it's hard to avoid the dating apps where they're not getting matches.
20. jpcom ◴[] No.42477589{3}[source]
We can comfortably host 100B or more on this beautiful planet. Just gotta be strategic about it.
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22. kridsdale1 ◴[] No.42477663{3}[source]
It’s possible to have infinite sex without influencing the population quantity. Well, you could decrease it.
23. nozzlegear ◴[] No.42477777{3}[source]
I fundamentally disagree with this take, it's at odds with my belief in growth and dynamism.
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24. moralestapia ◴[] No.42477836{3}[source]
I don't follow.

If the rate has gone and population as well, how come the total number is about the same?

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26. zeroonetwothree ◴[] No.42477994{3}[source]
How are you disagreeing? The comment you responded to said it hasn’t changed since 2018.
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28. globular-toast ◴[] No.42478380[source]
I'm starting to think many people just aren't into sex that much, in the same way many people aren't into food.

Many people just get hungry and inhale the most convenient thing they can to scratch the hunger itch. McDonald's is always busy. People would be there on Christmas day if it was open. These people aren't into food as pleasure, they just don't want to be hungry. Of course with meal replacements bottles etc McDonald's isn't even the bottom of that particular barrel.

It's the same with sex. I've met people who define themselves by their sexuality. They consider it a primary pursuit in life. But for others it's just scratching an itch. I've realised I'm basically that way. It doesn't mean that much to me, it's just something my body makes me do. Porn is now everywhere and more easily accessible than drugs. People are now able to reach for McDonald's or the meal replacement, but for sex.

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29. paulryanrogers ◴[] No.42479530[source]
> They don't have perspective because they have not been bred to have it. It's very sad.

Did 'bred' once include upbringing? I thought it began and ended with mate selection, pairing, and procreation.

30. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.42479739{3}[source]
Quorum-sensing ain't just for bacteria.
31. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.42479743[source]
On the flip side, imagine the tremendous spiritual development possible to be unlocked by a generation undistracted by carnal desire.
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32. BeFlatXIII ◴[] No.42479852{3}[source]
My observation of teens online, as someone who was once an online teenager, is that they are noticeably less mature than my cohort. Perhaps because it's no longer just the nerds who are online all day—if everyone in my high school was chronically online, there's a high possibility that Bush-era teens would've been just as openly immature and stupid as today's youth. Whatever happened to pretending to be an apathetic 24-year-old?
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33. Schiendelman ◴[] No.42479935{4}[source]
It decreased for older folks, and there are fewer kids now.
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34. bbarn ◴[] No.42479991{3}[source]
By 17 I was on my own and joining the military. My daughter is 25 and just got her first real job out of college. By her age I had a 6 year old child (her). I'm not saying I took the right path (I didn't) but the level of maturity I had at her age was vastly different. Her peers are all similar, and when I was young many of mine were similar to me. I do thing generationally / culturally there's a difference.
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35. meiraleal ◴[] No.42479995{3}[source]
> current kids have a lot more to deal with, and are expected to be much much more down to earth than a few decades ago

For sure not. They are pushed to play in a stage and fake drama. Decades ago, many 13 years old kids worked for 10-16 hours a day.

36. moralestapia ◴[] No.42480350{5}[source]
Oh, I see it now. Thanks!
37. grecy ◴[] No.42480377[source]
> They seem very much like traumatized people, on a massive scale, just trying to survive.

Every few years I like to leave the world for a bit and do something else to reset a bit. For example I just finished walking 779km on the Camino in Spain.

What you said is essentially true for the vast majority of people in our modern world. What we have built is terrible for us, and we’re all suffering and very sick.

38. doctorwho42 ◴[] No.42481468{3}[source]
But instead are distracted by modern algorithms built for a slow drip of dopamine!
39. doctorwho42 ◴[] No.42481489{4}[source]
Lol, when I was 12-14 that is exactly what I tried to pull off... A early 20 something so people wouldn't kick me from the server/team lol
40. mmooss ◴[] No.42482307{3}[source]
You should do what you feel, of course, and there is no right or wrong. I still think that, generally, we have evolved to have a strong sex drive and to very much desire and enjoy it.
41. mmooss ◴[] No.42482322{3}[source]
Our sex drive is an essential, wonderful part of our spirit, IMHO.

But more to your point, they are not undistracted, meditating peacefully. They are traumatized into submission. That's not a good state for spiritual development.

42. badpun ◴[] No.42482513{3}[source]
Women get tons of matches though.
43. makeitdouble ◴[] No.42484049{4}[source]
> I'm not saying I took the right path (I didn't)

Not picking on your personal experience, but if you see it as a mistake, wouldn't it be a sign you weren't mature enough to take the right decision ?

Now, having a kid definitely accelerate that maturing process. But without a solid parental environment (which was common at some point, especially with the grand parents being around) it's a recipe for disaster, I wouldn't see it as an appropriate path for most in this day and age.

I see your point on much of a change it makes to have fewer young adults already being parents. That's definitely impacting.

44. mmooss ◴[] No.42484600{3}[source]
That doesn't explain why people would have less sex now than in the past.