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neya ◴[] No.41901576[source]
If you use Azure in any realistic production environments, then it's on you. Even with $100k in free credits, they couldn't convince me to use it for more than a month. It is expensive, the interface is highly user unfriendly and most important of all, their products don't at all seem reliable for production workloads because of stuff like this. Sorry Microsoft, I think you can do much better.
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1. BSDobelix ◴[] No.41902286[source]
>I think you can do much better.

Not to be a troll, but I really think they cannot. The last "good" product they made was SQL-Server/Exchange/Windows2000, and that was a long time ago.

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2. renegade-otter ◴[] No.41902716[source]
Just judging by the deteriorating state of the Windows OS...

I know these are different divisions, but it does say something about the culture. Windows has always been a dumpster fire, but when it was built by nerds and not managers, it felt more, uh, tolerable.

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3. mrweasel ◴[] No.41902856[source]
While I can think of a few other, dotnet and Visual Studio, I think that you're generally correct.

Microsoft, Google and others, have created a culture that are no longer able to produce high quality solutions, because they can't focus on a single vision for their products. Or in some cases the vision does not align with creating good products.

SQL Server is a really good example, it's highly focused, it exists outside the current hype bobble, there's no advertising, no subscription, just a database server and it's a really good product. Exchange sucks, because it been pulled in to new subscription based world, and it's going to suffer for it.

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4. phkahler ◴[] No.41902857[source]
>> Windows has always been a dumpster fire..

It was always a dumpster fire for security, but it did have a pretty good UI and functionality at say XP-SP3, but now the UX had been thrown on the fire too.

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5. renegade-otter ◴[] No.41902955{3}[source]
I remember enjoying using Windows 2000/XP but I feel like that's my nostalgia talking. I was customizing a new installation for days, messing with registry keys and obscure settings dialogs. It was never that user-friendly to begin with. After having used MacOS for the last few years, I do not miss the hassle.

To be fair, not a lot of things were user-friendly back then, and Windows was the standard consumer OS for a good reason. It was solidly OKAY.

Using the latest versions of Windows, however, is just infuriating even without any complicated setup.

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6. Gud ◴[] No.41903138{4}[source]
Absolutely not your nostalgia talking.

I’m as OS agnostic as they come and Win2k was the last true great desktop OS.

I now use FreeBSD almost exclusively, with miscellaneous VM guests.

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7. j16sdiz ◴[] No.41903139[source]
dotnet is a mixed bag of good and bad.

VSCode catch on, but i would rather have Atom instead.

Exchange have beth broken before migrating to cod

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8. rightbyte ◴[] No.41903449[source]
> but when it was built by nerds and not managers, it felt more, uh, tolerable.

The 'WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN' era. Ye. Way more relatable than todays malware riddled joke of an OS. It is too bad since the Windows 7 foundation seems OK.

9. dijit ◴[] No.41904413[source]
Famously, visual studio gets worse- not better, with time.

https://youtu.be/GC-0tCy4P1U

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10. bbkane ◴[] No.41904868{5}[source]
I actually REALLY LIKE MacOS, especially workspace/window management when using Rectangles. So much so that I'm trying to recreate it on Linux (I don't want to buy a new Mac when I have a perfectly good gaming desktop to repurpose for dev work).
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11. marcosdumay ◴[] No.41904927{3}[source]
Well, it gets better and worse, with a worsening trend. It's not monotonic, so one can easily point "hey, VS XX is better than VS YY for some XX > YY".
12. preciousoo ◴[] No.41904979[source]
The topic is good software and you mention Visual Studio?
13. Gud ◴[] No.41905202{6}[source]
MacOS is pretty good, can’t argue with you there.
14. eitally ◴[] No.41905882{5}[source]
I grew up with an Apple II, then switched to Windows from 3.11 for Workgroups all the way up to Vista, at which point I switched to desktop Linux (variety of distros, but mostly ended up on Kubuntu in my house and Mint for family). Then it was 8 years of ChromeOS. The past couple of years I've been on MacBooks and, although there are quirks I don't really like, I can't argue with the fact that it mostly "just works", which is really the primary requirement of any operating system.
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15. Tempest1981 ◴[] No.41906102{3}[source]
> migrating to cod

cod? Call of Duty?

16. Gud ◴[] No.41906319{6}[source]
Still, I would say peak Win2k was faster, cleaner and more no nonsense than modern MacOS. I use macs as well, they are not at all as snappy as windows 2000 was.
17. cookingrobot ◴[] No.41906939[source]
I worked on Windows 2000, thanks! But Windows 7 was better.
18. mrweasel ◴[] No.41912237{3}[source]
I would like to retro-actively remove my categorization of Visual Studio. That was an absolutely enjoyable rant and demonstration.