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US probes Tesla's Full Self-Driving software after fatal crash

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410 points jjulius | 8 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:01 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 03:23 UTC] No.41885410[source]▶
I'm astonished at how long Musk has been able to keep his autonomous driving con going. He has been lying about it to inflate Tesla shares for 10 years now.
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jjmarr[dead post] ◴[19 Oct 24 03:38 UTC] No.41885475[source]▶
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two_handfuls ◴[19 Oct 24 04:19 UTC] No.41885608[source]▶
I tried it. It drives worse than a teenager.

There is absolutely no way this can safely drive a car without supervision.

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1. valval ◴[19 Oct 24 07:15 UTC] No.41886215[source]▶
It’s been safer than a human driver for years. It’s also not meant to be unsupervised.
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2. gitaarik ◴[19 Oct 24 16:40 UTC] No.41888839[source]▶
Something about these two statements seem to be in conflict with each other, but maybe that is just kinda Tesla PR talk.
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3. lawn ◴[19 Oct 24 17:58 UTC] No.41889379[source]▶
Safer than a human driver...

According to Tesla.

4. valval ◴[19 Oct 24 19:09 UTC] No.41889902[source]▶
It’s quite easy to be safer than a human driver, since humans are just human. Supervision is required because the system can face edge cases.
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5. gitaarik ◴[19 Oct 24 19:14 UTC] No.41889941{3}[source]▶
Ah ok so if humans would be supervised for their edge cases then humans would actually be safer!
6. UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 22:49 UTC] No.41891387[source]▶
It is cultish doublespeak.
7. UltraSane ◴[19 Oct 24 22:49 UTC] No.41891391{3}[source]▶
Edge cases like intersections?
8. two_handfuls ◴[19 Oct 24 23:13 UTC] No.41891531[source]▶
"safer than a human driver for years" can be misleading, since the system is supervised - it assists the human driver. So what we're comparing is human+FSD vs avg car (with whatever driver assist it has).

The claim that FSD+human is safer than an average car is old and has since been debunked: if instead of comparing vs all cars (old and new, with and without driver assistance) you compare like for like: other cars of similar price also with cruise control and lanekeeping assistance, then the Tesla cars are as safe as the others.

And to be clear, none of those are autonomous. There is a certification process for autonomous cars, followed by Waymo Mercedes and others. Tesla has not even started this process.