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Animats ◴[] No.35844753[source]
There's an upside to this. It can be used politically as an argument against backdoors for "lawful access"[1] to encrypted data.

[1] https://www.fbi.gov/about/mission/lawful-access

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voidfunc ◴[] No.35844809[source]
The argument doesn't matter because the federal government and politicians don't give a shit about facts
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hilbert42 ◴[] No.35844873[source]
Until their PCs get hacked and their medical and psychiatrists' notes about them become front page news.
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TheRealPomax ◴[] No.35844896[source]
Sorry, what? This literally happened, THIS YEAR, and not a single one cared beyond saying "oh no, this is terrible, if only there was something we could have done!"

https://apnews.com/article/congress-data-breach-hack-identit...

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1. hilbert42 ◴[] No.35845219[source]
Right. There'll be more, eventually something truly salacious will turn up. When it does keep well away from fans.
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2. joering2 ◴[] No.35845346[source]
If "something truly salacious will turn up", I would bet the source politician will deny it and would want the whole thing to be forgotten as quickly as possible, not to work on a bill against it to pass it bipartisan, because he was an embarrassment case of a leak.

Source: observing last 25 years of US politics.

3. thatguy0900 ◴[] No.35846274[source]
If they wait a few years they can just say it's fake news created by rogue unlicensed language models
4. lenkite ◴[] No.35846440[source]
Any leaked, salacious stuff will just be termed as Russian disinformation.
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5. hedora ◴[] No.35847248[source]
Like what? Another homophobe southern republican politician gets outted as a pedophile?

A half dozen people testifying that our last president was a serial rapist?

The head of the Supreme Court whining that when congress appoints a probable rapist to the court, the double standard is that the court should be above politics, and not comment on such things, but the press covers it anyway?

At least two of those things actually made the news yesterday.

I’m really not able to think of anything sufficiently salacious to get any more shit on the fan.

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6. wsc981 ◴[] No.35847363[source]
It worked several times before (Clinton email server, Hunter Biden laptop, various examples from other countries) so no reason why this argument would not work again.
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7. Entinel ◴[] No.35847484{3}[source]
It worked against Democrats because the Republican base does not care about facts and just need a reason, fact or fiction, to justify the outrage they are told to feel.
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8. Root_Denied ◴[] No.35847717[source]
Wasn't there a list of elected officials on Alzheimer's Drugs that was supposed to have been floating around that got shut down hard?

Also if you need another recent example you could reference Dianne Feinstein.

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9. ta8645 ◴[] No.35847754{4}[source]
Ironic that you would confuse your emotionally felt bias, for a fact. There are many good and decent people, who are firmly rooted in reality and facts, that count themselves as part of the Republican base. We need to return to political argument, rather than vilification.
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10. vkou ◴[] No.35847820[source]
> There'll be more, eventually something truly salacious will turn up.

Have we lived in the same past few years? At this point, if one of them turns out to be an actual baby-eating reptilian, he'll still get keep his fucking seat next election, as long as he has the right letter next to his name, while the party that professes to hate baby-eaters will keep voting for him.

If you have no shame, scandal slides off you like water off a duck's back.

11. vkou ◴[] No.35848309{3}[source]
I didn't realize that Hunter Biden, or his laptop were running for an election, or for a cabinet position in 2020.

And I don't recall anyone calling the Clinton emails a Russian anything, unless you think that the people building the case against her were compromised.

I do recall that someone ran on a campaign of prosecuting her for it, but somehow, that was forgotten right as soon as the words left his mouth...

12. blkhawk ◴[] No.35848740{5}[source]
Just because people are "good and decent" doesn't mean that the outcomes they support are thus.

As for facts even without the recent "alternate facts" the truth is you can easily come to radically different conclusions even based on the same facts.

Facts aren't facts basically :)

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13. ta8645 ◴[] No.35849160{6}[source]
That's all fodder for valid political debate. My objection is the denigration and condemnation of those with differing opinions. It's immature and toxic.

> Just because people are "good and decent" doesn't mean that the outcomes they support are thus.

That's exactly what many on the right think of leftist policies. That the bulk of sustainable and healthy solutions should come from the grassroots, and that many government interventions are unsustainable and have profound unintended negative consequences that aren't fully appreciated by the calculus of the left.

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14. hilbert42 ◴[] No.35850012[source]
I had nothing particular in mind. But we only have to look at the long line of past political scandals to know others that are sufficiently newsworthy will soon turn up—ones politicians wouldn't want exposed.
15. hilbert42 ◴[] No.35850125{3}[source]
Despite my comment I'm not in favor of deliberately exposing private medical records of anyone, politicians or otherwise. My point is that the fixed and blinkered view of politicians won't change until they're personally affected or harmed.
16. Entinel ◴[] No.35850376{7}[source]
> There are many good and decent people, who are firmly rooted in reality and facts, that count themselves as part of the Republican base.

I'm sure that's true, but those people aren't being voted for. Those people aren't in power and as long as people are voting for literal Nazis there is no discussion to be had. Can't have a rational discussion with people who don't believe you should even exist.

17. specialist ◴[] No.35852024{4}[source]
Yes, but:

The most recent research suggests partisanship, esp negative partisanship, is rooted in identity. Which is to say facts, beliefs, positions are besides the point.

There have been many more recent follow ups, but the two books I read were Democracy for Realists by Achen and Bartels, and Why We're Polarized by Ezra Klein.

As a recovering activist, this has been very hard for me to accept and adjust to. What hope is there if discourse and persuasion don't, can't work? I have no clue.

So I just focus on the work.

YMMV.

18. TheRealPomax ◴[] No.35855006[source]
"no, no, but NEXT time will be different!" said the fairy tale.
19. Animats ◴[] No.35858587{3}[source]
That story appeared in 2017 on both NPR [1] and in the New York Post.[2]

[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/old-school-pharmacy-hand...

[2] https://nypost.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-hints-some-congress...