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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 17 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 1.807s | source | bottom
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doyougnu ◴[19 May 22 17:07 UTC] No.31437263[source]▶
I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks.

I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to me before I bought it was that _because_ of the modular design I can switch the side the power port is on. That may not seem like much but it was a revelation the first time I sat on the couch and thought "huh I really wish this was over on that side....wait a minute!".

I've also had absolutely no problems with NixOS on my machine, even my apple earbuds easily connect via bluetooth, something that I never quite got working on my macbook.

10/10 This is damn close to my dream laptop and I'm excited a new version is on the way.

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fiddlerwoaroof ◴[19 May 22 19:36 UTC] No.31439099[source]▶
This is interesting: over the last several months, a friend has been running NixOS on a Framework and has been told by Framework employees that they can’t help him with Linux kernel issues because he’s using an unsupported OS and he’s also had lots of complaints about battery life and power management.

I love the idea of the Framework, but it seems to suffer from all the issues that made me switch to MacBooks in the first place.

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lukeschlather ◴[19 May 22 20:00 UTC] No.31439419[source]▶
doyougnu was previously running NixOS on a Macbook so their bar for "working" is probably much lower than a normal person's.

I'm on Windows, but if a Linux could give me reliable power management I would switch in a heartbeat. I don't know what it would take to have sensible power management on Linux without major issues.

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2muchcoffeeman ◴[19 May 22 20:22 UTC] No.31439685[source]▶
Try Pop OS.
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trelane ◴[19 May 22 22:54 UTC] No.31441210[source]▶
On System76...
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1. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[19 May 22 23:07 UTC] No.31441350[source]▶
Pop OS on a Dell XPS is giving me good battery life. If you already have your machine and files are backed up, worth a shot.
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2. 420official ◴[19 May 22 23:29 UTC] No.31441551[source]▶
I didn't have the same experience with pop on a newer XPS. I wasn't able to get more than 4 hours on a full charge.
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3. lukeschlather ◴[20 May 22 00:22 UTC] No.31441939[source]▶
"Good battery life" is not my measure of good power management. I can leave my windows laptop sitting out, it will sensibly turn off the screen and eventually hibernate, I don't need to worry about it. A Linux laptop will need babying when it's not plugged in.
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4. trelane ◴[20 May 22 00:29 UTC] No.31441980[source]▶
Not necessarily
5. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[20 May 22 00:37 UTC] No.31442027[source]▶
I’m on a 2020 XPS17. At the time I was having a hell of a time and it took almost a year for everything to be supported out of the box.
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6. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[20 May 22 00:39 UTC] No.31442039[source]▶
Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation.

But if you want off windows and aren’t willing to go Mac, you take what you can get.

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7. trelane ◴[20 May 22 01:03 UTC] No.31442187{3}[source]▶
Why do people keep doing this to themselves?! I really don't get it. Just buy a laptop from a vendor that actually supports linux, like System76.
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8. trelane ◴[20 May 22 01:06 UTC] No.31442203{3}[source]▶
> Yes it’s horrible when I’m not plugged in and you have to shutdown before closing the lid for transportation.

Why? Does it not hibernate?

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9. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[20 May 22 04:38 UTC] No.31443405{4}[source]▶
No it does not. If you’re not careful you’ll open your laptop bag to a hot and barely touchable laptop.
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10. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[20 May 22 04:47 UTC] No.31443461{4}[source]▶
Because there are countries out side of America. You may have heard of them.
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11. str34m ◴[20 May 22 09:16 UTC] No.31445033[source]▶
Gnome has power management features like that, didn't even enable them. It's the most installed DE I think, so your characterization of Linux is pretty off.

I like Gnome and its newest incarnation Gnome 40, but at least on Nixos it has some issues so I often rebuild to an i3-based environment instead.

12. trelane ◴[20 May 22 12:27 UTC] No.31446415{5}[source]▶
They also can get these devices. You may have heard that.
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13. trelane ◴[20 May 22 12:34 UTC] No.31446502{5}[source]▶
Ouch.
14. trelane ◴[20 May 22 14:58 UTC] No.31448364{6}[source]▶
Of course, depends highly on the value of "they". Because the "you may have heard..." pattern is worse than useless, here's actual info to compare and decide whether either of these may work for you:

https://knowledgebase.frame.work/de/in-welche-lander-und-reg...

https://system76.com/shipping

Sadly, protectionism is a thing. Launching in new countries is hard and expensive. Perhaps there's a company in country that would do it better than some giant international megacorp.

15. likeclockwork ◴[20 May 22 16:08 UTC] No.31449356{4}[source]▶
They usually suspend when the lid is closed by default rather than hibernating.
16. 2muchcoffeeman ◴[20 May 22 21:01 UTC] No.31452452{6}[source]▶
Framework does not ship internationally yet. System 76 does.

But if I’m buying a laptop for work why would I get a laptop from a manufacturer that has no presence in my country? What am I going to do when things go wrong? Unfortunately, it may be better to take a punt on a manufacturer with global presence.

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17. trelane ◴[20 May 22 21:53 UTC] No.31452990{7}[source]▶
Then you get what you choose.