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    jjoonathan ◴[] No.24838965[source]
    "You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!"

    ...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

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    nix23 ◴[] No.24839174[source]
    Dont pray, just dont buy Apple Products
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    1. munificent ◴[] No.24839301[source]
    Boycotting is not an effective strategy for addressing oligopolies. You need actual strong anti-trust regulation.
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    2. y7 ◴[] No.24839399[source]
    Hear hear. All "just use an alternative" does is temporarily shift the problem. And then tomorrow an article appears highlighting Windows 10's invasive telemetry and people say "yeah just use macOS".
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    3. curiousgal ◴[] No.24839501[source]
    Regulation will never be ahead of corporations. Regulators always play catch-up. Seeing how, at the end of the day, all these company care about is profits, hitting them where it hurts will make a difference.

    That being said, Linux is available, and it's perfectly usable by people who would be bothered by Apple's dev policies.

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    4. seg_lol ◴[] No.24839651[source]
    These companies would be happy to lose the customer and the vars that complain. Unless you can convince 100x more people than yourself to loudly and dramatically move to something not as user hostile, just voting with your dollars will not work, there isn't enough competition.
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    5. anamexis ◴[] No.24839660[source]
    I think in both cases, people generally say "use Linux".
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    6. nix23 ◴[] No.24839718{3}[source]
    It's not about voting, it's about the tech YOU use. You want apple? Buy it, if not dont. I really dont care what others use.
    7. giantg2 ◴[] No.24839767{3}[source]
    "Unless you can convince 100x more people..."

    I don't even know 10 people who use Mac.

    8. rch ◴[] No.24839914[source]
    Engineers and scientists choosing MBPs as a means of getting a POSIX system on nice hardware did more for getting Macs in the workplace than any of the anti-trust actions did.
    9. fsflover ◴[] No.24839924[source]
    See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24831699
    10. fsflover ◴[] No.24840126[source]
    You need everything at the same time. You also should promote Linux among your friends.
    11. ballenf ◴[] No.24840146[source]
    I get the antitrust case on iOS, but has the argument been widened to include regulating what Apple does with its PCs?

    Or are we saying that we want the federal government to regulate OSs generally?

    12. zepto ◴[] No.24840218[source]
    Except that it’s not an oligopoly - it can’t be by definition.

    There is a free alternative which is better in many ways and has an unlimited supply.

    The only reason Apple has a lead in software is that they have made their closed source model deliver end-user benefits at a faster rate than the open source alternatives.

    There is no reason this needs to remain true, and there are a lot of signs that it will not continue.

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    13. brimstedt ◴[] No.24841679{3}[source]
    I have been using windows, apple and Linux (KDE) on a daily basis and handle all os' quite well.

    KDE is by far my preference and in general I don't think neither windows nor macos has fewer problems despite the price tag.

    After hearing the "it just works" mantra of apple users for many years I was surprised to find I had at least as many glitches on the Mac as I did on KDE (win 7 was better, 10 has more problems ime).

    (I use my computers for development and sysadmin, not gaming or art)

    14. munificent ◴[] No.24842605[source]
    > free alternative

    Only "free" in terms of literal monetary payments to acquire the operating system. But the choice between Apple's stack and other Linux stacks has many trade-offs in terms of time, support, documentation, complexity, transition cost, etc.

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    15. zepto ◴[] No.24842682{3}[source]
    Agreed, but that’s not because of an ‘oligopoly’ constraining supply.

    The only thing stopping those trade-offs being changed is people’s willingness to make the changes.

    Based on a lot of criticism of MacOS I see here, some of that is because people don’t actually want to change the trade offs.