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Catalina is checking notarization of unsigned executables

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361 points robenkleene | 9 comments | 23 May 20 09:42 UTC | HN request time: 1.154s | source | bottom
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mokus ◴[23 May 20 15:52 UTC] No.23283932[source]▶
I guess the list of things keeping me off catalina (and, by extension, new Mac hardware) just got one item longer.

I recently bought a new System76 laptop as a stopgap, but it might end up becoming permanent. Kind of a sad end for 25+ years of Mac use.

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digitaltrees ◴[23 May 20 18:09 UTC] No.23285038[source]▶
What are the other problems with Catalina for you? I ask because every time there is an OS X update someone posts this exact sentiment but then over a few months the issues get resolved. Please don’t interpret this as an attack; I am genuinely curious and want to see if Apple ends up fixing things.

I my self have a maxed out 16 MacBook Pro and a for the first few weeks after the upgrade it was literally in usable because routine user input would result in the entire system locking up. I suspect it was actually this issue but, thankfully, the issue is now resolved.

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1. lisper ◴[23 May 20 19:05 UTC] No.23285494[source]▶
Not a Catalina issue per se, but the big problem with Apple nowadays is:

1. Upgrades are not optional. The system will relentlessly nag me until I upgrade even if I don't want to upgrade.

2. Upgrades are crap shoots. An Apple upgrade nowadays is as likely to break things as it is to fix things.

3. Upgrades are difficult and sometimes impossible to revert. If an upgrade breaks something, I'm just screwed.

So I'm still running Mavericks. It works. It's reliable. It does everything I need it to do. And I can count on that still being the case tomorrow. If I upgrade, all bets are off.

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2. LeoPanthera ◴[23 May 20 19:37 UTC] No.23285721[source]▶
Although I sympathize, this is one issue, not three. And hardly anything unique to Apple.
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3. lisper ◴[23 May 20 19:44 UTC] No.23285766[source]▶
It seems pretty unique to Apple in my experience. I have an ancient Android tablet. I don't even know how old the OS is on it. It never nags me to upgrade. My Linux boxes never nag me to upgrade. When I do upgrade, things mostly keep working, and if they don't it's pretty easy to roll things back.
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4. LeoPanthera ◴[23 May 20 19:47 UTC] No.23285786{3}[source]▶
Android never getting updates is not a feature!
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5. lisper ◴[23 May 20 21:41 UTC] No.23286754{4}[source]▶
I much prefer no updates over broken updates, especially when they are forced on me. Stable bugs are better than a never ending stream of new ones.
6. rayiner ◴[23 May 20 23:16 UTC] No.23287498[source]▶
It’s not unique to Apple, but that didn’t used to be the case. I’ve used a Mac for almost 15 years. My previous Macs had issues, no doubt. Got bit by the peeling anti glare issue on my 2013 MBP 15” (after 5+ years of heavy use). But I’ve had maybe two kernel panics in all that time. With my new 16”, I’ve had half a dozen in two weeks. Waking from sleep used to be the basic functionality that “just worked” on Apple machines and where Windows and Linux laptops struggled. That was the benefit you got in return for spending extra on closed hardware platform.
7. aflag ◴[23 May 20 23:50 UTC] No.23287722{3}[source]▶
How do you roll back an upgrade in android and whatever linux distribution you're using?
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8. lisper ◴[23 May 20 23:58 UTC] No.23287775{4}[source]▶
I've never had to roll back a Linux upgrade but if I had to I could always restore from a backup. You can sometimes do that with MacOS, but some MacOS upgrades come with firmware upgrades which are one-way and prevent earlier versions from booting. And all iOS upgrades are one-way.

I don't know about Android. I only have one Android device. It is so old I don't even remember how old it is and I've only ever upgraded it once. It still works like a charm for all the things I need it to do.

9. sk5t ◴[24 May 20 00:44 UTC] No.23288062{4}[source]▶
Perhaps LVM snapshots are an option for Linux rollback?