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mokus ◴[] No.23283932[source]
I guess the list of things keeping me off catalina (and, by extension, new Mac hardware) just got one item longer.

I recently bought a new System76 laptop as a stopgap, but it might end up becoming permanent. Kind of a sad end for 25+ years of Mac use.

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1. digitaltrees ◴[] No.23285038[source]
What are the other problems with Catalina for you? I ask because every time there is an OS X update someone posts this exact sentiment but then over a few months the issues get resolved. Please don’t interpret this as an attack; I am genuinely curious and want to see if Apple ends up fixing things.

I my self have a maxed out 16 MacBook Pro and a for the first few weeks after the upgrade it was literally in usable because routine user input would result in the entire system locking up. I suspect it was actually this issue but, thankfully, the issue is now resolved.

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2. msie ◴[] No.23285486[source]
I installed Catalina on my iMac several days ago and ImageCapture still has bugs! Although I can now select multiple photos to import from my iPhone 11, ImageCapture will not delete the photos after import. Previous to that, ImageCapture on Catalina would not import more than 10 photos without reporting an error. At least they fixed that bug.
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3. lisper ◴[] No.23285494[source]
Not a Catalina issue per se, but the big problem with Apple nowadays is:

1. Upgrades are not optional. The system will relentlessly nag me until I upgrade even if I don't want to upgrade.

2. Upgrades are crap shoots. An Apple upgrade nowadays is as likely to break things as it is to fix things.

3. Upgrades are difficult and sometimes impossible to revert. If an upgrade breaks something, I'm just screwed.

So I'm still running Mavericks. It works. It's reliable. It does everything I need it to do. And I can count on that still being the case tomorrow. If I upgrade, all bets are off.

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4. LeoPanthera ◴[] No.23285721[source]
Although I sympathize, this is one issue, not three. And hardly anything unique to Apple.
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5. lisper ◴[] No.23285766{3}[source]
It seems pretty unique to Apple in my experience. I have an ancient Android tablet. I don't even know how old the OS is on it. It never nags me to upgrade. My Linux boxes never nag me to upgrade. When I do upgrade, things mostly keep working, and if they don't it's pretty easy to roll things back.
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6. LeoPanthera ◴[] No.23285786{4}[source]
Android never getting updates is not a feature!
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7. mthoms ◴[] No.23285864[source]
I'm in a similar boat. The first few weeks with my 16" MBP was pretty bad. Everything seems resolved now, except the issue with the discreet GPU kicking in when an external monitor is plugged in. This, in turn causes the fans to spin up (which is annoying when trying to code).

My 2017 13" MBP (without discreet GPU) was barely usable when powering my 4K monitor but at least it was quiet. It makes me think that the more modern integrated Intel GPU in the 16" should be enough to power my monitor without fan noise. Sadly, Apple has decided I can't have that option.

8. knolan ◴[] No.23286002[source]
I’m curious, is there a reason to use image capture when you can just AirDrop the images? Does Image Capture give you the HEIC format file or something?
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9. lisper ◴[] No.23286754{5}[source]
I much prefer no updates over broken updates, especially when they are forced on me. Stable bugs are better than a never ending stream of new ones.
10. rayiner ◴[] No.23287498{3}[source]
It’s not unique to Apple, but that didn’t used to be the case. I’ve used a Mac for almost 15 years. My previous Macs had issues, no doubt. Got bit by the peeling anti glare issue on my 2013 MBP 15” (after 5+ years of heavy use). But I’ve had maybe two kernel panics in all that time. With my new 16”, I’ve had half a dozen in two weeks. Waking from sleep used to be the basic functionality that “just worked” on Apple machines and where Windows and Linux laptops struggled. That was the benefit you got in return for spending extra on closed hardware platform.
11. aflag ◴[] No.23287722{4}[source]
How do you roll back an upgrade in android and whatever linux distribution you're using?
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12. lisper ◴[] No.23287775{5}[source]
I've never had to roll back a Linux upgrade but if I had to I could always restore from a backup. You can sometimes do that with MacOS, but some MacOS upgrades come with firmware upgrades which are one-way and prevent earlier versions from booting. And all iOS upgrades are one-way.

I don't know about Android. I only have one Android device. It is so old I don't even remember how old it is and I've only ever upgraded it once. It still works like a charm for all the things I need it to do.

13. brigandish ◴[] No.23287853{3}[source]
Surely it's faster?
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14. sk5t ◴[] No.23288062{5}[source]
Perhaps LVM snapshots are an option for Linux rollback?
15. knolan ◴[] No.23290965{4}[source]
It requires finding a (USB 2.0) cable, connecting both devices, approving trust, and then opening an App and selecting and waiting.

AirDrop requires touch based selection and sharing on the iOS device and the transfer is very quick and if it’s your Mac the files go straight to your downloads folder.

So it’s more streamlined overall with AirDrop.

I had a colleague who used to do a similar dance with Image Capture. He had no idea he could AirDrop photos even though he airdropped files from Finder to others all the time.

Personally I just have them all sync via iCloud Photo Library.

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16. brigandish ◴[] No.23296240{5}[source]
The trust approval either never happens or it happened once and I don't remember. I also find it's a quicker interface than Airdrop, which is slow and also lengthened by my having to turn on bluetooth and then turn it off in the settings at the end. File transfer is much quicker.

Finding a USB cable though, sometimes that does take a search and a wee bit of cursing!

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17. knolan ◴[] No.23304353{6}[source]
It’s always interesting to read about other folks workflows for simple tasks.