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Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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126 points petermcneeley | 6 comments | 06 Dec 25 19:19 UTC | HN request time: 1.006s | source | bottom
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appreciatorBus ◴[06 Dec 25 23:48 UTC] No.46177701[source]▶
> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods."

Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

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1. frmersdog ◴[07 Dec 25 01:30 UTC] No.46178403[source]▶
History shows that the best way to resist, in these circumstances, might be to let them in, and then blow them up in the streets and countryside until they leave. It's cheaper and (morbidly enough) probably has a lower human cost.
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2. Hackbraten ◴[07 Dec 25 06:17 UTC] No.46179569[source]▶
Wouldn't that require military training, too?
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3. fifilura ◴[07 Dec 25 06:18 UTC] No.46179575[source]▶
What history shows that?
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4. frmersdog ◴[07 Dec 25 17:30 UTC] No.46183391[source]▶
Russia in Afghanistan. America in Afghanistan. America in Iraq. America and France in Vietnam. France in Algeria. France in Haiti. Britain in Ireland.

Honorable mention to Britain in America and Germany in France, where guerilla/resistance forces were instrumental in the eventual allied victories, even though the invaders were eventually toppled by outside armies.

I dunno, maybe Berliners would prefer becoming Ukrainian War-era Kyiv instead of WWII-era Paris after all.

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5. fifilura ◴[07 Dec 25 17:33 UTC] No.46183412{3}[source]▶
No. That is really bloody and a last resort. And horrible for civilians. Bucha and Irpin are counter-examples.

Russians should only be treated with a very long stick.

Guerilla warfare is not winning, it is making things a huge mess.

6. frmersdog ◴[07 Dec 25 17:34 UTC] No.46183415[source]▶
Sure, but it doesn't require throwing young people who don't care to fight into pitched battle meat grinders.

Obviously, either path is undesirable. It would be nice if we could use some of those "undermining and overthrowing regimes we don't like" expertise on actual threats instead of countries that just want to nationalize their resources.