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    isgb ◴[] No.45643283[source]
    > Space elevators are actually a possible idea being considered by scientists. > The hard part is making a strong enough cable. And finding enough elevator music...

    Most engineers would bring up a lot more issues than just finding a strong cable. Also, most attempts with e.g. carbon nanotubes have been abandoned ages ago https://www.newscientist.com/article/2093356-carbon-nanotube....

    - We don't have a good ascent mechanism other than rockets - and then we might just use rockets without building an elevator. - We don't have a good (and safe) descent mechanism. - Maintenance? Protection from space debris? Protection from oscillations? Ground-protection if the elevator collapses?

    This is dyson-sphere level of fiction. We can do back-of-the-napkin calcualtions on how things would work, but the practicalities make it completely impossible or impractical.

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    seanc ◴[] No.45643508[source]
    Kim Stanley Robinson's description of a Martian space elevator falling and wrapping twice around the entire planet convinced me that they aren't a good idea.

    https://www.kimstanleyrobinson.info/content/clarke

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    1. enraged_camel ◴[] No.45643883[source]
    A version of this also happens in the first season of Foundation, the Apple TV series based on Asimov's novels.
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    2. joenot443 ◴[] No.45644219[source]
    Would you recommend that show to the HN crowd? The books are super well liked around here, for good reason.

    Apple's put out a staggering amount of content the last few years, I wasn't even aware this one debuted!

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    3. gilbetron ◴[] No.45644502[source]
    The Mars one is much more interesting and traumatic :)
    4. Frotag ◴[] No.45644545[source]
    It's pretty and scratches that scifi itch. I've only read a little of the books but it's supposedly an entirely different story that coincidentally shares character names.

    In terms of hardness, it probably on par with Expanse, so mostly technobabble with the magical tech only used when it's convenient for the plot. The abuse of "psychohistory" is particularly egregious. There's so many scenes where it's visualized a hologram of scribbles and they zoom in on more squiggles while divining the future.

    But again it's pretty, so if you're okay with drama in space, it's maybe a 8/10.

    5. bananaflag ◴[] No.45644561[source]
    Not the OP, but that show is a severely dumbed down adaptation of the books.

    For example, each short story almost completely changes the cast (of course, with some descendants of characters appearing occasionally), as befits a saga that spans centuries. No producer was willing to run with that (as they didn't believe the audience smart enough to follow it would be big enough for the show to make a profit), so they introduced cryonics, clones, sorta-AIs (including robots out of their original context) to have some sort of continuing cast.

    Also, the books have a quaint 1940s (NOT 1950s as people usually say it) atmosphere, with excitement about "atomic" energy (changed to "nuclear" in the 1950s publication), distant descendents of the slide rule, and generally weird-sounding math and science, that the show totally drops in favor of a "contemporary" feel.

    And btw, the space elevator scene is lifted from Brin's Foundation's Triumph where it is described as a "future" event, part of Trantor's fall, predicted by Seldon's early team and trickled down to the general population.

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    6. lelandfe ◴[] No.45644573[source]
    My friends who wanted an adaption of the series hated it.

    My friends who like sci-fi enjoyed it.

    It is regardless very striking and high budget.

    7. Larrikin ◴[] No.45644621[source]
    It's the best possible adaptation of the books as possible. They made some changes to allow for having main characters. In my opinion they also lighten the down side of the Mule story line and how the world works.
    8. Frotag ◴[] No.45644670{3}[source]
    > For example, each short story almost completely changes the cast (of course, with some descendants of characters appearing occasionally)

    I wish directors were brave enough to kill off characters if it serves the plot. I get that there's IRL reasons that make it difficult (like contracts, scheduling, etc) but each new season accumulates more subplots to the point it's like a 30 minute episode is really a compilation of 3x 10-minute shows.

    This bugs me in multiple-protagonist books too. Just feels like an excuse to pad the page count with introductions and cliff hangers every POV switch.

    9. rtkwe ◴[] No.45644737{3}[source]
    It's definitely got problems as an adaptation of the Foundation series where it turns one of it's biggest themes on it's head by making a few people like Gail super special and having the answer to the crises where the books were more about setting up groups and organizations so that they as a whole had an advantage or edge that would be the answer to the crises he forsaw. I think it's mainly due to them wanting to have the same people across multiple seasons where the books were free to throw away the whole cast each time. Setting up new characters is much more expensive in shows/movies than books where you can just say what someone's 'deal' is and give them internal monologues to setup their internality where shows can't usually get away with that.

    I think separated from that there's a good enough show in there.

    10. tw04 ◴[] No.45644781[source]
    I’ll give apparently a controversial take. The show is great. If you’re going into it expecting the books to be the guiding source material you’ll be severely disappointed. If you go into it assuming you’re watching a show that roughly takes high level concepts from the books but is its own thing and let it stand on its own, I think it’s worth watching.
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    11. hermitcrab ◴[] No.45644791[source]
    It's about 45 years since I read the books, but the whole idea of being able to predict the future of human societies accurately with maths seems rather silly. Especially since chaos theory became mainstream.
    12. kingkawn ◴[] No.45644794[source]
    If you go into it looking for interesting sci-fi, especially the story of the Cleons, you’ll enjoy it. If you go into it looking for Asimov’s Foundation you’ll be disappointed
    13. indoordin0saur ◴[] No.45644975[source]
    I greatly enjoyed the first season (haven't seen the others) and I'm usually a curmudgeon when it comes to modern TV shows.
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    14. georgeecollins ◴[] No.45644981{3}[source]
    I'm fine with series not following the books. But the show bugs me because it has great production values -- particularly the third season -- and great actors. But the writing and plotting is all over the place ranging to very bad. It is a bit dumb and always pretentious. It's the 70's version of Battlestar Galactica of our age.
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    15. ajmurmann ◴[] No.45645066{4}[source]
    I also found the pacing to be inconsistent at best.
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    16. MengerSponge ◴[] No.45645089{3}[source]
    Lee Pace is great, and the "genetic empire" is a brilliant solution to a hard problem unique to television.

    Brother Dawn: How often do we make this choice?

    Demerzel: You always make this choice.

    17. noir_lord ◴[] No.45645103{3}[source]
    I enjoyed the first season, for me the others aren’t remotely as good and I abandoned it halfway through the latest season.
    18. shagie ◴[] No.45645291{3}[source]
    > Also, the books have a quaint 1940s (NOT 1950s as people usually say it) atmosphere ...

        The next day’s hearings were entirely different. Hari Seldon and Gaal Dornick were alone with the Commission. They were seated at a table together, with scarcely a separation between the five judges and the two accused. They were even offered cigars from a box of iridescent plastic which had the appearance of water, endlessly flowing. The eyes were fooled into seeing the motion although the fingers reported it to be hard and dry.
    
    If you've got a copy of the ebook, search for "cigar". The use of tobacco as a way to demonstrate luxuries beyond the regular is there.

    In a recent re-reading of the series, I started having difficult with it in Second Foundation... and forced myself to finish Foundation's Edge. The amount of psionic ability and the... for lack of a better word "preaching" with the monologues was very much a science fiction of a different time.

    Foundation (the TV series) had to do updates for modern audiences and media. I'm not sure if trying to remain perfectly faithful to the books would represent them well.

    Foundation is a soft sci-fi about interactions between individuals and history and society. Trying to maintain the incidental harder parts of the written works that modern audiences expect to be somewhat consistent of far future technology with the 1950s lens on them would be quaint and a bit off-putting to people expecting future tech.

        He threw his cigar away and looked up at the outstretched Galaxy. “Back to oil and coal, are they?” he murmured—and what the rest of his thoughts were he kept to himself.
    
    They took the major points, and wrote to follow the general path from one point to another given the expectations of an audience consuming it often for the first time - 80 years after the original was written... and given constraints of the format and continuity of actors (60 minute episodes rather than as a chapter of a short story in Campbell's Astounding Science Fiction).
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    19. pavlov ◴[] No.45645324{5}[source]
    The Lee Pacing is consistently great though.
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    20. senkora ◴[] No.45645459{4}[source]
    This is the issue that I have with many Apple TV+ shows. The production value is always very high, but it has no correlation with whether the writing is actually good.
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    21. jvanderbot ◴[] No.45645497{4}[source]
    I long for a level of posthumanism that you can do things like smoke and drink for fun without any worry for long term health effects.

    What at joy it'd be to fully experience life, not just a sanitized productized version, and have the safety net of perfect medicine to cure what ails ya.

    22. mrguyorama ◴[] No.45647763{5}[source]
    This is just the state of American video media production right now.

    Projects are massively expensive, including a lot spent on "looking expensive", but the writing cannot be as expertly crafted because the high expense means upper management craves purpose and control and meddles with things, and the giant "target" audience means you can't do anything interesting.

    23. ajmurmann ◴[] No.45657319{6}[source]
    Honestly the Cleons story line has been the only storyline I consistently enjoyed. All other ones suffered from both pacing and idiot plot issues at various times.