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Nobel Peace Prize 2025: María Corina Machado

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522 points pykello | 24 comments | 10 Oct 25 09:03 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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yohannesk ◴[10 Oct 25 09:16 UTC] No.45536781[source]▶
As an Ethiopian man, I view this new Nobel Peace Prize with profound skepticism, a feeling rooted entirely in the disastrous outcome of Abiy Ahmed's utterly undeserved award. The premature praise he received for peace-making quickly evaporated, leading instead to a catastrophic war and the fragmentation of our nation. His prize has been followed by widespread conflict, massive displacement, and an alarming return to authoritarian rule. For us, the entire Nobel Peace Prize now feels meaningless, a hollow symbol given its failure to prevent—or perhaps its role in emboldening—such terrible suffering in Ethiopia
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yannickt ◴[10 Oct 25 09:23 UTC] No.45536841[source]▶
For me, that skepticism began when Obama received the award. To his credit, he did not think he deserved it. But I have never viewed it in the same light since.
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1. mw67 ◴[10 Oct 25 09:42 UTC] No.45536960[source]▶
Barack Obama is the only two-term President in US history to be at war every day of his Presidency. The only one.
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2. Krssst ◴[10 Oct 25 09:53 UTC] No.45537028[source]▶
The two first wars that come to mind were not started by him though.
3. rob74 ◴[10 Oct 25 09:55 UTC] No.45537050[source]▶
To his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.
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4. cheema33 ◴[10 Oct 25 10:01 UTC] No.45537078[source]▶
Did Obama start the Afghanistan war? or the Iraq war?

Yes, he could exit those countries hastily. But that has its own cost. Getting in wars is the easy part. Getting out of one is the hard part. Ask Putin who went into Ukraine on a 3-day limited special military operation.

Bush Jr. got us into multiple wars and unlike his father did not limit the scope of them. His father did get us into a war with Iraq but was smart enough to keep it limited in scope.

Also, under Obama, the "wars" were not real wars like the Russia/Ukraine war where both sides are losing hundreds of people every week. But they were more like peacekeeping operations that occasionally ran into skirmishes.

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5. rzzzwilson ◴[10 Oct 25 10:04 UTC] No.45537094[source]▶
Depends what you mean by "be at war". For example, the Russo-Ukraine war has been going since February 2014. Through both Trump presidencies.
6. rob74 ◴[10 Oct 25 10:14 UTC] No.45537150[source]▶
If you ask me, Putin is welcome to end the Ukraine war at any time he wants! Getting out of a war is actually easy if you don't care what happens after that, e.g. in the case of Afghanistan accept as "sunk costs" the billions of dollars and thousands of lives that were lost during the 20 years that NATO was involved there.
7. antonymoose ◴[10 Oct 25 10:20 UTC] No.45537197[source]▶
He started a number of color revolutions though out MENA?

And let us not forget his assassination of an American citizen by drone strike for visiting the place of his fathers death, also assassinated by drone strike.

And if we want a “fun fact,” he is the only Nobel Peace winner to bomb and kill another, as commander and chief his forces bombed and killed innocents in a Doctor’s Without Borders outpost in Afghanistan. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike)

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8. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 10:35 UTC] No.45537276[source]▶
He surely started Libyan War by bombing the hell out the government forces and creating power vacuum. The war is still ravaging the country to this day
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9. pjc50 ◴[10 Oct 25 10:45 UTC] No.45537325{3}[source]▶
I think there's a very high bar of proof to "Americans are responsible for a popular revolution" when in practice there was a huge amount of effort by individuals on the ground, for example in Tahrir Square.

Obama did not make Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire.

10. benjiro ◴[10 Oct 25 11:06 UTC] No.45537478[source]▶
> like the Russia/Ukraine war where both sides are losing hundreds of people every week.

Every week? If we just look at the Russian casualties numbers, its around 1000+ casualties PER DAY.

There was a recent leak of the death toll and the most active area's had a 2/5 dead rate, 1/3 "missing" rate, and the rest was wounded.

If we only count the death + "missing" over the entire front for Russia, its 500+ PER DAY.

Ironically, the Russian->Afghanistan invasion was WAY less deadly then what we see today in Ukraine.

Your point still stands about the US evolvement in Iran/Afghanistan, but darn your numbers really way below the actual body count in the Russian "3-day limited special military operation". Those are numbers from the first year, not the daily of the third year.

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11. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 11:08 UTC] No.45537492{3}[source]▶
You seem to have come from another timeline, where that's reality. Wikipedia says:

> On 19 March 2011, a NATO-led coalition began a military intervention into the ongoing Libyan Civil War to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (UNSCR 1973). The UN Security Council passed the resolution with ten votes in favour and five abstentions, with the stated intent to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute 'crimes against humanity'

but I guess that's fake news...

But I'm more interested about how you can travel between timelines. Is it with a portal gun like in Rick and Morty?

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12. pydry ◴[10 Oct 25 11:19 UTC] No.45537589{4}[source]▶
The UN mandate which NATO were given to use military force only to protect civilians was used as a figleaf to pursue a regime change operation instead.

In the context of that regime change operation they killed many civilians and left a humanitarian catastrophe in their wake. The country is beyond fucked but Hillary did get to say "we came, we saw, he died" afterwards, underscoring the lie. So mission accomplished?

For some reason the UN security council stopped approving NATO "humanitarian" operations after that and Russia started treating NATO expansion as an imperialist, existential threat.

13. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 11:22 UTC] No.45537614{4}[source]▶
What are you saying exactly? Military intervention is not a war? Obama did not play a decisive role in starting it (mainly to sway away attention from the dragging Afghanistan war which he promised to end)? Or UN mandate makes it somewhat ok, considering NATO broke conditions of the UN resolution already in the first weeks of bombing (which was promptly objected by UN security Council members). Make no mistake. Obama started this war for PR reasons. Had it not been for NATO bombing Libya would still exist as a state instead of a failed entity it is now.
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15. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 11:37 UTC] No.45537728{5}[source]▶
"ongoing Libyan Civil War".

If I'm joining an ongoing party, did I start the party?

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16. grafmax ◴[10 Oct 25 11:41 UTC] No.45537766[source]▶
> more like peacekeeping operations

Peacekeeping is like the UN sending troops in to monitor a ceasefire. These were wars. 35,000+ civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Overthrowing Gaddafi. Tens of thousands of airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Drone strikes killing thousands of civilians in Pakistan. US foreign policy has equated “peace” and “stability” with its own military hegemony, being almost constantly at war to further its hypocritical ideology. It’s been a cash cow for the defense lobby.

17. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 11:50 UTC] No.45537840{6}[source]▶
By this logic Russia did not start Ukraine war but merely joined the internal conflict started by Ukraine in 2014.

It was hardly a civil war before NATO bombing, but rather protests which were brutally squashed by Gaddafi forces. Opposition lacked any means to wage a way before NATO started supplying them with arms too.

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18. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 12:16 UTC] No.45538101{7}[source]▶
So in the timeline you're from, the Crimean invasion also was an internal conflict... interesting!

Also there, civilized societies should look away and just let it happen when people fighting oppression is being slaughtered. Well, that's quite similar to this timeline, because that's what's happening in Gaza and being ignored by "The West".

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19. Cyph0n ◴[10 Oct 25 12:57 UTC] No.45538473{3}[source]▶
Can we please stop propagating the flimsy conspiracies about the 2011 revolutions? They started entirely organically, but some unfortunately devolved into wider conflicts.

At worst, this conspiracy infantilizes Arab populations by removing their agency. At best, it’s false marketing for the CIA and other agencies.

20. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 13:13 UTC] No.45538626{8}[source]▶
Well, oppression is exactly what people in Crimea and Donbass viewed Maidan events and did not want to have anything to do with this new Ukraine. Go do a research on Crimea referendum or gallups done by Pew or such and you will find out that secession was and still is the most popular option. And sure as hell people of Crimea do not want to be part of Ukraine again.
21. cheema33 ◴[10 Oct 25 15:07 UTC] No.45539912{3}[source]▶
> Every week? If we just look at the Russian casualties numbers, its around 1000+ casualties PER DAY.

You are likely correct. I have heard of the high casualty estimates, but wanted to keep it conservative to not have someone complain about the estimate being too high.

22. JacobThreeThree ◴[10 Oct 25 16:29 UTC] No.45540754[source]▶
Obama was very explicitly promising to get out of the middle east wars.

Of course it's hard, but if that's true, then why is he making those promises, or worse, why is he being given a peace award based on those promises?

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23. BolexNOLA ◴[10 Oct 25 18:02 UTC] No.45541893{3}[source]▶
Are we going to pretend that a president not keeping promises from the campaign trail is somehow exceptional?
24. wilg ◴[10 Oct 25 19:12 UTC] No.45542627[source]▶
Yeah two unpopular wars he did not start and spent a lot of effort figuring out how to get out of. He ended one and his vice president later ended the other.