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Nobel Peace Prize 2025: María Corina Machado

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522 points pykello | 8 comments | 10 Oct 25 09:03 UTC | HN request time: 1.515s | source | bottom
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yohannesk ◴[10 Oct 25 09:16 UTC] No.45536781[source]▶
As an Ethiopian man, I view this new Nobel Peace Prize with profound skepticism, a feeling rooted entirely in the disastrous outcome of Abiy Ahmed's utterly undeserved award. The premature praise he received for peace-making quickly evaporated, leading instead to a catastrophic war and the fragmentation of our nation. His prize has been followed by widespread conflict, massive displacement, and an alarming return to authoritarian rule. For us, the entire Nobel Peace Prize now feels meaningless, a hollow symbol given its failure to prevent—or perhaps its role in emboldening—such terrible suffering in Ethiopia
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yannickt ◴[10 Oct 25 09:23 UTC] No.45536841[source]▶
For me, that skepticism began when Obama received the award. To his credit, he did not think he deserved it. But I have never viewed it in the same light since.
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mw67 ◴[10 Oct 25 09:42 UTC] No.45536960[source]▶
Barack Obama is the only two-term President in US history to be at war every day of his Presidency. The only one.
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rob74 ◴[10 Oct 25 09:55 UTC] No.45537050{3}[source]▶
To his credit: he didn't start any of those wars. But yes, I agree that the Nobel prize was unfounded.
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crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 10:35 UTC] No.45537276{4}[source]▶
He surely started Libyan War by bombing the hell out the government forces and creating power vacuum. The war is still ravaging the country to this day
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1. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 11:08 UTC] No.45537492[source]▶
You seem to have come from another timeline, where that's reality. Wikipedia says:

> On 19 March 2011, a NATO-led coalition began a military intervention into the ongoing Libyan Civil War to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 (UNSCR 1973). The UN Security Council passed the resolution with ten votes in favour and five abstentions, with the stated intent to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute 'crimes against humanity'

but I guess that's fake news...

But I'm more interested about how you can travel between timelines. Is it with a portal gun like in Rick and Morty?

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2. pydry ◴[10 Oct 25 11:19 UTC] No.45537589[source]▶
The UN mandate which NATO were given to use military force only to protect civilians was used as a figleaf to pursue a regime change operation instead.

In the context of that regime change operation they killed many civilians and left a humanitarian catastrophe in their wake. The country is beyond fucked but Hillary did get to say "we came, we saw, he died" afterwards, underscoring the lie. So mission accomplished?

For some reason the UN security council stopped approving NATO "humanitarian" operations after that and Russia started treating NATO expansion as an imperialist, existential threat.

3. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 11:22 UTC] No.45537614[source]▶
What are you saying exactly? Military intervention is not a war? Obama did not play a decisive role in starting it (mainly to sway away attention from the dragging Afghanistan war which he promised to end)? Or UN mandate makes it somewhat ok, considering NATO broke conditions of the UN resolution already in the first weeks of bombing (which was promptly objected by UN security Council members). Make no mistake. Obama started this war for PR reasons. Had it not been for NATO bombing Libya would still exist as a state instead of a failed entity it is now.
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5. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 11:37 UTC] No.45537728[source]▶
"ongoing Libyan Civil War".

If I'm joining an ongoing party, did I start the party?

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6. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 11:50 UTC] No.45537840{3}[source]▶
By this logic Russia did not start Ukraine war but merely joined the internal conflict started by Ukraine in 2014.

It was hardly a civil war before NATO bombing, but rather protests which were brutally squashed by Gaddafi forces. Opposition lacked any means to wage a way before NATO started supplying them with arms too.

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7. netsharc ◴[10 Oct 25 12:16 UTC] No.45538101{4}[source]▶
So in the timeline you're from, the Crimean invasion also was an internal conflict... interesting!

Also there, civilized societies should look away and just let it happen when people fighting oppression is being slaughtered. Well, that's quite similar to this timeline, because that's what's happening in Gaza and being ignored by "The West".

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8. crazybonkersai ◴[10 Oct 25 13:13 UTC] No.45538626{5}[source]▶
Well, oppression is exactly what people in Crimea and Donbass viewed Maidan events and did not want to have anything to do with this new Ukraine. Go do a research on Crimea referendum or gallups done by Pew or such and you will find out that secession was and still is the most popular option. And sure as hell people of Crimea do not want to be part of Ukraine again.