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Nobel Peace Prize 2025: María Corina Machado

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522 points pykello | 7 comments | 10 Oct 25 09:03 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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yohannesk ◴[10 Oct 25 09:16 UTC] No.45536781[source]▶
As an Ethiopian man, I view this new Nobel Peace Prize with profound skepticism, a feeling rooted entirely in the disastrous outcome of Abiy Ahmed's utterly undeserved award. The premature praise he received for peace-making quickly evaporated, leading instead to a catastrophic war and the fragmentation of our nation. His prize has been followed by widespread conflict, massive displacement, and an alarming return to authoritarian rule. For us, the entire Nobel Peace Prize now feels meaningless, a hollow symbol given its failure to prevent—or perhaps its role in emboldening—such terrible suffering in Ethiopia
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yannickt ◴[10 Oct 25 09:23 UTC] No.45536841[source]▶
For me, that skepticism began when Obama received the award. To his credit, he did not think he deserved it. But I have never viewed it in the same light since.
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mw67 ◴[10 Oct 25 09:42 UTC] No.45536960[source]▶
Barack Obama is the only two-term President in US history to be at war every day of his Presidency. The only one.
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1. cheema33 ◴[10 Oct 25 10:01 UTC] No.45537078{3}[source]▶
Did Obama start the Afghanistan war? or the Iraq war?

Yes, he could exit those countries hastily. But that has its own cost. Getting in wars is the easy part. Getting out of one is the hard part. Ask Putin who went into Ukraine on a 3-day limited special military operation.

Bush Jr. got us into multiple wars and unlike his father did not limit the scope of them. His father did get us into a war with Iraq but was smart enough to keep it limited in scope.

Also, under Obama, the "wars" were not real wars like the Russia/Ukraine war where both sides are losing hundreds of people every week. But they were more like peacekeeping operations that occasionally ran into skirmishes.

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2. rob74 ◴[10 Oct 25 10:14 UTC] No.45537150[source]▶
If you ask me, Putin is welcome to end the Ukraine war at any time he wants! Getting out of a war is actually easy if you don't care what happens after that, e.g. in the case of Afghanistan accept as "sunk costs" the billions of dollars and thousands of lives that were lost during the 20 years that NATO was involved there.
3. benjiro ◴[10 Oct 25 11:06 UTC] No.45537478[source]▶
> like the Russia/Ukraine war where both sides are losing hundreds of people every week.

Every week? If we just look at the Russian casualties numbers, its around 1000+ casualties PER DAY.

There was a recent leak of the death toll and the most active area's had a 2/5 dead rate, 1/3 "missing" rate, and the rest was wounded.

If we only count the death + "missing" over the entire front for Russia, its 500+ PER DAY.

Ironically, the Russian->Afghanistan invasion was WAY less deadly then what we see today in Ukraine.

Your point still stands about the US evolvement in Iran/Afghanistan, but darn your numbers really way below the actual body count in the Russian "3-day limited special military operation". Those are numbers from the first year, not the daily of the third year.

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4. grafmax ◴[10 Oct 25 11:41 UTC] No.45537766[source]▶
> more like peacekeeping operations

Peacekeeping is like the UN sending troops in to monitor a ceasefire. These were wars. 35,000+ civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Overthrowing Gaddafi. Tens of thousands of airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Drone strikes killing thousands of civilians in Pakistan. US foreign policy has equated “peace” and “stability” with its own military hegemony, being almost constantly at war to further its hypocritical ideology. It’s been a cash cow for the defense lobby.

5. cheema33 ◴[10 Oct 25 15:07 UTC] No.45539912[source]▶
> Every week? If we just look at the Russian casualties numbers, its around 1000+ casualties PER DAY.

You are likely correct. I have heard of the high casualty estimates, but wanted to keep it conservative to not have someone complain about the estimate being too high.

6. JacobThreeThree ◴[10 Oct 25 16:29 UTC] No.45540754[source]▶
Obama was very explicitly promising to get out of the middle east wars.

Of course it's hard, but if that's true, then why is he making those promises, or worse, why is he being given a peace award based on those promises?

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7. BolexNOLA ◴[10 Oct 25 18:02 UTC] No.45541893[source]▶
Are we going to pretend that a president not keeping promises from the campaign trail is somehow exceptional?