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anovikov ◴[] No.45345257[source]
Too little and too late. Draconian measures are necessary to push automakers into compliance and to push consumers to buy. It's expensive unless we want to sell out to China completely, but necessary and in the end, affordable.
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aurareturn ◴[] No.45345279[source]

  sell out to China completely
Let China sell tens of billions of affordable EVs to Europe. Let Europe sell tens of billions of ASML EUV machines and Airbus planes to China.

Sell what each region is best at. Mutual benefits. Crazy idea right?

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lm28469 ◴[] No.45345591[source]
It's always the same, free market when it goes my way, fuck you if it goes your way.

In 50 years there will be literally nothing left that China doesn't do better than the west, it would be better to build trust and commerce now than attempt to delay it with artificial borders (tariffs, export bans, &c.), we're just delaying the inevitable and making a (commercial) enemy for no reason

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myrmidon ◴[] No.45345713[source]
> In 50 years there will be literally nothing left that China doesn't do better than the west

This is not at all obvious or inevitable. The exact same concerns where voiced when much of the electronics industry moved to Japan 30 years ago, but "Japan doing everything better than the west" never really happened.

China is facing the exact same challenges that made US, EU, Japanese and Korean industry stumble before: Your own success raises wages and living standards, which inevitably decreases competitiveness. China still has a lot of catching up to do (in living standards/median income) and despite that it already struggles in some sectors to compete with countries like Vietnam or Indonesia.

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1. aurareturn ◴[] No.45350963{3}[source]

  China is facing the exact same challenges that made US, EU, Japanese and Korean industry stumble before: Your own success raises wages and living standards, which inevitably decreases competitiveness. China still has a lot of catching up to do (in living standards/median income) and despite that it already struggles in some sectors to compete with countries like Vietnam or Indonesia.
And that's totally fine to Chinese people. They don't want to work in a factory forever. They too, would like cushy office jobs.