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Europe's EV sales surge 26% in 2025 while Tesla faces decline

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65 points doener | 7 comments | 23 Sep 25 10:42 UTC | HN request time: 0.047s | source | bottom
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m101 ◴[23 Sep 25 12:00 UTC] No.45345745[source]▶
Electric car sales were 20% of all sales, so 26% increase is hardly a "surge". Going from a low base this is supposed to be higher.

I think what we are seeing is that electric car interest isn't as strong as governments hoped for. I used to own an electric car now I'm back to a hybrid.

Q4 sales in the US will be interesting because of the removal of the tax credits and the increasing electricity prices that AI is causing. Low prices of fuel in the US means that it's not exactly cheaper to run an electric car in the US.

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Sharlin ◴[23 Sep 25 12:17 UTC] No.45345937[source]▶
Well, in this economical situation it absolutely isn't in most people's immediate plans to buy a new expensive car.

But yes, also, the naive hope of many politicians was that the huge, thorny issue that is traffic emissions would just resolve itself by everybody magically switching to EVs, because actually effective measures to curb emissions are rather unpopular.

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1. storus ◴[23 Sep 25 12:26 UTC] No.45346064[source]▶
Much of PM2.5 particles is generated by tires. EVs are much harder on tires, often needing tire replacement after just 1 year. So on one hand, you get rid of PM2.5 from fossil fuels, on the other hand you increase tire PM2.5 five fold.
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2. Sharlin ◴[23 Sep 25 12:32 UTC] No.45346116[source]▶
Yes. Though carbon emissions are of course the most burning issue, with emissions caused by traffic decreasing very slowly if at all, unlike other major CO2 sources. But indeed EVs only really solve a few of the many external costs of personal vehicles.
3. rmu09 ◴[23 Sep 25 13:13 UTC] No.45346566[source]▶
You also get rid of brake dust (for the most part).

This study https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/report... (page 95) sees nowhere near 5 fold increase of particles from tire wear with EVs, for lightweight EVs you get a significant reduction in overall particle emissions.

4. Yizahi ◴[23 Sep 25 13:28 UTC] No.45346737[source]▶
They are not much harder on tires. Most of the EVs (like 90%, excluding USA behemoths) are only 20-30% heavier than a ICE vehicle of the same class. There are plenty heavier cars on the roads for the last century.

And where did you get this 1 year per tire metric? I see anecdotal reports that on EV with normal tires they last as long as on typical ICEs. I can't find any comprehensive report for either side for now.

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5. ndsipa_pomu ◴[23 Sep 25 16:06 UTC] No.45348950[source]▶
It's not just the weight of the vehicle, but the typical torque. Braking, accelerating and going round corners can produce a lot of pollution.
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6. Yizahi ◴[23 Sep 25 16:26 UTC] No.45349242{3}[source]▶
Well, given typical speed limits in the city and most of the country roads, neither ICE cars not EVs can really utilize their torque or acceleration. Sure, you can go somewhere quiet on a weekend and rev up, but people commuting or driving for groceries don't really accelerate more than ordinary.

I'm not trying to diminish EV capabilities btw. I'm just saying that "tire scare" is waaay overblown in media.

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7. ndsipa_pomu ◴[23 Sep 25 18:17 UTC] No.45350827{4}[source]▶
However I have seen lots of reports that EVs wear through tyres quicker than ICE vehicles. Estimates do seem to vary a lot from 20% to 50% more wear.

Personally, I don't think media puts enough focus on tyre pollution for all types of cars - 6PPDQ is extremely toxic.