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Europe's EV sales surge 26% in 2025 while Tesla faces decline

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65 points doener | 7 comments | 23 Sep 25 10:42 UTC | HN request time: 1.087s | source | bottom
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maelito ◴[23 Sep 25 12:06 UTC] No.45345816[source]▶
Still, Europe has no electric-only brand.

We need it. Let the thermal engine models die.

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pjerem ◴[23 Sep 25 12:09 UTC] No.45345842[source]▶
It seems like Renault is going into this direction. Slowly but surely.
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1. maelito ◴[23 Sep 25 12:15 UTC] No.45345918[source]▶
Almost. Their R5 is a best-seller, but they could have launched it as a separate company.

You cannot invest in Renault's electric line. Investing in Renault means investing in new thermal cars.

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2. storus ◴[23 Sep 25 12:28 UTC] No.45346081[source]▶
R5 is unbelievably overpriced for its size and nostalgic value.
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3. orwin ◴[23 Sep 25 12:36 UTC] No.45346164[source]▶
It's a really nice car to drive though. Trunk size is too limited and get a hard pass from me (I think my next car will be an utility vehicle for my windsurf). But 25k for the battery size, interior, how nice it is to drive, I think is fair when you compare in the price range (Spring, e-C3).
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4. storus ◴[23 Sep 25 12:44 UTC] No.45346246{3}[source]▶
I agree it's a nice car but value-wise it can't compete even with KIA Stonic. Spring is terrible due to a very low range, agreed. I think we need two more generations of batteries to make EVs fully usable, ideally 800-1000km for a single charge or 80% charge after 10 minutes for a mid-size SUV.
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5. rsynnott ◴[23 Sep 25 13:28 UTC] No.45346741{4}[source]▶
> ideally 800-1000km for a single charge

... Why? Who's driving 1000km without stopping? I mean, I'm sure a few people do occasionally, but it's a _very_ niche requirement.

6. tpm ◴[23 Sep 25 20:39 UTC] No.45352451[source]▶
> Investing in Renault means investing in new thermal cars.

Not for long though; the EU fleet emmission rules and fines are clear in this regard. If the fossil lobby does not manage to nerf them, no big mfg will build ICE passenger cars for the EU market after 1.1.2035, while since this year the rates got higher and will get higher again in 2030. In some countries ICEs will have only marginal marketshare in a few years already. The manufacturers are preparing accordingly.

7. pjc50 ◴[23 Sep 25 21:20 UTC] No.45352900{4}[source]▶
I don't need a thousand km of range, I can't go that far in the UK without falling in the sea.