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anovikov ◴[] No.45345257[source]
Too little and too late. Draconian measures are necessary to push automakers into compliance and to push consumers to buy. It's expensive unless we want to sell out to China completely, but necessary and in the end, affordable.
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pjc50 ◴[] No.45345617[source]
The carrot will be much more well received than the stick. Price cap chargers and make sure they're everywhere, including kerbside.

Convert public fleets. It's much more reasonable to mandate that local councils and public servant staff cars should be EV-only first; these tend to have short turnover periods of three to five years anyway. That forces the public bodies to actually address the details of adoption.

Not to mention buses and public works vehicles like refuse lorries. Expensive, but if the transition has to happen it has to happen.

But I think the momentum is there on its own:

> In August alone, 154,582 EVs were snapped up, accounting for 20% of all new car sales. Analysts note that a 20–25% share is enough to meet the EU’s emissions targets for 2025–2027 and Europe has just reached that milestone.

There's a self-reinforcing circle that as more people have EVs, they become more "normal", and the more car-centric policy caters to their needs. People who are irrationally scared speak to friends who own one or ride in EV taxis (actually, taxis are nearly always hybrids at the moment?)

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ioteg ◴[] No.45345722[source]
Nobody is "irrationally scared" of EVs. We are rationally scared that, once enough well-off people have switched to EVs, this market share will be used as an excuse to stop poor people from driving their petrol or diesel cars. ("Rationally" because this is already happening.)
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saubeidl ◴[] No.45345739[source]
Why would that be a bad thing?
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FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45345770[source]
So fuck the poor people, according to you?
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1. ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.45345840[source]
Well if you think that EVs cost more to run than ICE and are generally worse cars then this would be a punishment for the poor.

Since they cost less to run and are generally better than the alternative, poor people will appreciate the step up just as everyone else does.