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Europe is locking itself in to US LNG

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neves ◴[] No.45262447[source]
Wasn't it the point of Nord Stream sabotage? https://brian-whit.medium.com/nord-stream-sabotage-a-look-at...
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bilekas ◴[] No.45262603[source]
No. This was alleged to be taken out by Ukrainian special forces in order to twist Europe's arm, which is a good thing in the end, but so far as anyone knows it had nothing to to with the US. Until I hear anything proving otherwise I will take what we know as all we know for now.

The US were not thrilled about it when it was being constructed, obviously, but this was normal tensions towards Russia, prescient in the end but here we are.

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pclmulqdq ◴[] No.45262627[source]
Are we sure that Ukrainian special forces have the capability to blow up nord stream without heavy US help?
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non_aligned ◴[] No.45262708[source]
What's the part that's hard to imagine? It's literally just a boat ride to a publicly-known location that isn't monitored in any way, diving to a depth humans can dive to, placing some standard military / commercial explosives, and getting out.

There were several countries arguably interested in getting rid of that pipeline (Ukraine, Poland, the US), but Ukraine wanted it the most, had easy access, and there's no need to overcomplicate internet theories.

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1. WinstonSmith84 ◴[] No.45263082[source]
> diving to a depth humans can dive to

No, "normal" humans don't dive to 80m deep, where the explosion occurred. Any diver, whether professional or recreational (which is my case), will know about this. I don't have a (alternative) theory about this, I'm just stating facts. Well, the alternative theory, if we are speaking of divers, is that they had some very special equipment and were extremely skilled. It wasn't some random people, renting a random boat, renting random diving gear and buying random explosives ..

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2. nradov ◴[] No.45263256[source]
You have no clue about the "facts". Diving to 80m+ is no big deal now. Hundreds of random amateur tech divers do that every weekend as a casual hobby. They typically own their own gear (not rental), which can purchased new for about $30K including training. The equipment such as a closed-circuit rebreather (CCR) and drysuit is somewhat specialized but widely available on the open market from numerous manufacturers. I know a number of divers living in that region who have done much more complex and challenging dives, although obtaining and using the explosives is a separate issue.
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3. tim333 ◴[] No.45263303[source]
Googling for 10 seconds comes up with

>Advanced Mixed Gas Diver (80m)...The Advanced Mixed Gas Diver course is a great way to extend already considerable open-circuit mixed gas diving skills.

4. bilekas ◴[] No.45263469[source]
> No, "normal" humans don't dive to 80m deep, where the explosion occurred.

This simply isn't true, I myself after a technical advancement in my PADI to be certified on a rebreather went >80m many times. It's absolute more common than it was in the past.

Those who are trained with special forces as alleged would also be required to be qualified.

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5. MisterTea ◴[] No.45263704[source]
You can look this up on wikipedia you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_diving

"The open-sea diving depth record was achieved in 1988 by a team of COMEX and French Navy divers who performed pipeline connection exercises at a depth of 534 metres (1,750 ft) in the Mediterranean Sea as part of the "Hydra 8" programme employing heliox and hydrox."

Sounds like 80 meters is cake walk for any modern naval institution.

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6. nradov ◴[] No.45263828[source]
An 80 meter bounce dive is a cake walk for anyone with advanced technical dive training. Any motivated middle-class person could acquire the necessary skills and equipment to do it safely in a few years of steady effort. It doesn't require anything like the complex saturation diving procedures and equipment used by COMEX or certain naval institutions.
7. _glass ◴[] No.45264406[source]
Hard, but doable. Here is the analysis by an experience diver.

https://www-ostsee--zeitung-de.translate.goog/panorama/exper...

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8. nradov ◴[] No.45264928{3}[source]
Right, Achim Schlöffel is legitimate. In terms of complex tech diving he has been there and done that, and has the pictures to prove it. When he says something can be done there's no reason to doubt him.

https://is-expl.com/about/instructors/wgZMC8Y7

9. bilekas ◴[] No.45266306[source]
I want to clarify my answer here as I made it seem a bit more nonchalant than it is, there is definitely some technical training that needs to be done to dive deeper, as you say no recreational scuba enthusiast should just try it. There are different gasses that you need and a whole different approach to preparation and decomp.

My main point is that it's not as rare as some might think, it's becoming more and more recreational.

The people who did it definitely took on risk, but in my eyes, more so because if something did happen to go wrong, there's no support to help you out (that we know of). It's a flying with 1 engine scenario. The fact that it was pulled off is impressive. But for any rec divers, don't try without the right training, equipment and people with you.

10. thewinnie ◴[] No.45274042[source]
There are a lot of rummors going around (Espcially in Poland) that diver name was Volodymer Z. and currently he is in Ukraine.

Not trying to give any hints there, just sharing some rummors.