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University of Cambridge Cognitive Ability Test

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hirvi74 ◴[] No.45077200[source]
I still do not understand why we are wasting scientific resources trying to stack rank humans on arbitrarily defined concepts like cognitive ability or intelligence.

After over a century of psychometric research in cognitive abilities and intelligence, what do we have to show for it? Whose life has actually improved for the better? Have the benefits from such research, if any, outweighed the amount of harm that has already been caused?

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bofadeez ◴[] No.45077238[source]
Psychometrics has clear value. Cognitive ability predicts academic/job performance (Schmidt & Hunter 1998, Psych Bull), and standardized tests reliably forecast college outcomes (Kuncel, Hezlett & Ones 2004, Science). Conscientiousness adds further predictive power (Poropat 2009, Psych Bull). The science is robust. The issue is the discomfort it causes, not lack of benefit or predictive power.
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shermantanktop ◴[] No.45077340[source]
Intelligence testing is not widely used in employment hiring, despite many attempts. Why is that?
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gruez ◴[] No.45077416[source]
Because the supreme court ruled that it's racist to do so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

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d1sxeyes ◴[] No.45078241[source]
No, the Supreme Court ruled that you have to have a concrete business reason for implementing a test that is disproportionately likely to favour one ethnic group over another:

> The touchstone is business necessity. If an employment practice which operates to exclude Negroes cannot be shown to be related to job performance, the practice is prohibited.

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Jensson ◴[] No.45080097[source]
Isn't that the same thing? Basically a business that believes hiring is better using IQ is not able to do so since the supreme court ruled that is racist.
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d1sxeyes ◴[] No.45080516[source]
No. A business that believes hiring is better using IQ is able to do so if they can show that it has a relation to job performance.
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peterfirefly ◴[] No.45082566[source]
The problem is that that is very easy to prove... but really hard to convince a modern judge of.
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d1sxeyes ◴[] No.45085251[source]
Can you prove it?
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bofadeez[dead post] ◴[] No.45085763[source]
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d1sxeyes ◴[] No.45087393[source]
You already posted this. It’s not proof. It’s a meta analysis that suggests that in general cognitive ability might have some role in differences in job performance (maybe up to 25%).

It doesn’t even touch the question of whether IQ tests are good measures of cognitive ability, nor does it only include IQ tests as measures of cognitive ability.

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bofadeez ◴[] No.45087741{3}[source]
So you just affirmed "a business that believes hiring is better using IQ is not able to do so since the supreme court ruled that is racist" without realizing it. Not being consistent but it's okay. Great job lol
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1. hirvi74 ◴[] No.45088458[source]
Does your IQ score bring you some sense of purpose or identity? Does someone disagreeing with you or asking question cut at the very core of your sense of being?

In this thread, you have been nothing but rude, condescending, and snarky to your fellow YC users. So, what gives?

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2. bofadeez ◴[] No.45088757[source]
I've never taken an IQ test. I just care about intellectual honesty and was responding to someone who called for IQ testing as a prerequisite to posting on this forum. What's the next pivot in the argument?
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3. d1sxeyes ◴[] No.45089369[source]
That’s fair, I shouldn’t have said that, I’m sorry.