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voidUpdate ◴[] No.45063021[source]
I'm still convinced that it being called "full self driving" is misleading marketing and really needs to stop, since it isn't according to Tesla
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acdha ◴[] No.45063088[source]
Why do you think Musk put so much money into helping Trump win? Tesla was under multiple investigations for safety and unkept promises, and he knew that he would not have leverage to halt those under a Harris administration.
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myrmidon ◴[] No.45063332[source]
I'm absolutely not a fan of Trump, but this is a highly questionable assumption.

The much more likely hypothesis in my view is that he was helping Trump because of personal conviction (only in small parts motivated by naked self-interest).

You should expect rational billionaires to tend politically right out of pure self-interest and distorted perspective alone; because the universal thing that such parties reliably do when in power is cutting tax burden on the top end.

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blizdiddy ◴[] No.45063451[source]
That’s insane. Do you remember DOGE or Elon taking his cronies into the same departments investigating him? Do you even remember?
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1. myrmidon ◴[] No.45063923[source]
What would Elon even be in court for? Being a politically incorrect dumbass on ex-twitter is not punishable by law.

Sending a bunch of scriptkiddies around and having them cut government funding and gut agencies is not really how you make evidence "vanish", how would that even work?

And, lastly, jumping in front of an audience at every opportunity and running your mouth is the absolute last thing anyone would ever do if the goal was to avoid prosection. But it is perfectly in line with a person that has a very big ego and wants to achieve political goals.

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2. blizdiddy ◴[] No.45064135[source]
Labor violations, taxes, National Highway traffic safety administration investigation Tesla.. are you willfully ignorant or a troll?
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3. myrmidon ◴[] No.45064450[source]
I'm not a troll.

I scrutinise beliefs and assumptions even if they are convenient, and you should, too.

I don't believe that Musks main motivation to participate in the 2024 election was to avoid prosecution, because his actions are not really compatible with this, and there is a much more plausible alternative hypothesis that he preferred (possibly no longer) the republican platform for non-prosecution reasons/personal conviction instead, which his actions are very compatible with.

> Labor violations, taxes, National Highway traffic safety administration investigation Tesla

Let me say it like this: Billionaires generally don't have to care about minor infractions like this at all. The whole system is set up to shield them from liability, and wealth is an excellent buffer against effective prosection regardless of who is president. There have been a plethora of infinitely more serious infractions with zero real consequences for the CEOs involved, and this is not because they participated in past presidential election campaigns. See: the VW diesel emission fraud or much worse, leaded gas in the last century (and what associated industry did to keep that going).

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4. DonHopkins ◴[] No.45065296{3}[source]
Oh, so you're willfully ignorant.
5. rcpt ◴[] No.45065947{3}[source]
Meetings with Vlad, election interference, a pile of books at the SEC. Even rich people go to jail for these kind of things
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6. myrmidon ◴[] No.45066474{4}[source]
Does not pass the smell test, those accusations hardly even qualify as a crime to be honest. If we had a fully democrat-controlled administration at every level (with every judge being a stout democrat), then I would still give you a <5% probability for Musk to end up behind bars for any of those (!!).

There is a pretty recent precendent on the other side of the political spectrum: Hillary Clinton. Republicans went on and on for how she belonged in prison. Anyone with half a brain was able to tell that this was not gonna happen, because there simply was no case. Republicans got basically absolute power since, and --surprise-- Hillary did not go to prison.

What makes you so confident that you are right about Elon, while the people back then were obviously wrong with Hillary (even without hindisght!).

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7. acdha ◴[] No.45067990[source]
> What would Elon even be in court for? Being a politically incorrect dumbass on ex-twitter is not punishable by law.

Look at the things he’s already been in court for: labor and environmental violations, safety problems. A really big one for him is the exposure to suits over his statements as the CEO of a public company: anyone who’s bought TSLA in the the last decade or so could, for example, claim that he was knowingly misleading investors about FSD’s readiness or safety record.

Each of those are areas where he absolutely does not want someone with government investigatory powers talking to his employees, demanding internal documents, etc. and in several of them he could have business activities blocked if, for example, they linked approvals to more comprehensive evidence (imagine if they couldn’t sell FSD for use on public roads until it was safer and had to compensate past buyers).

8. rcpt ◴[] No.45068094{5}[source]
There was no case against Hillary you're correct.

But that doesn't mean that there is no case against Elon. I'm not sure why you would draw an equals between the two. The SEC really does put people in jail, the stuff with Vlad is bordering on treason.

I think you may have forgotten that we actually used to have a government and there was rule of law.

9. mlsu ◴[] No.45071371{3}[source]
A government that seriously investigated the claims that Tesla has been making and stop them from selling cars with it? Maybe causing their stock price to reflect their status as a mediocre electric car company, causing the entire house of cards to come down?

You can’t seriously think it’s just politics. Elon’s _entire_ fortune is built on these misrepresentations. A competent government that forces them to stop selling self driving, after a series of high profile lawsuits, is something Elon would pay very close attention to, probably even more than the day to day operations of the (mediocre electric car) company that he runs.

Elon is about the stock, the stock price, and the yarn he spins to keep it up. There is nothing else for him.