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flanked-evergl[dead post] ◴[] No.45037789[source]
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brazzy ◴[] No.45037989[source]
Nuclear is an outdated, unsafe, inefficient technology of the past. Let it go.
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Moldoteck ◴[] No.45038137[source]
It's the youngest invention, pretty safe per twh and pretty nice at generating tons of power with small footprint
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1. purerandomness ◴[] No.45038632[source]
It's the most expensive form of energy generation that needs to be subsidized by governments forever and ever, due to waste management.
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2. Moldoteck ◴[] No.45038709[source]
Waste management is similar to handling forever toxic chemicals waste- bury deep underground. Check out what herfa-neurode facility is.

It's not the most expensive form. Some current builds are expensive, but it generally can provide for very cheap. Check out Goesgen open data for Switzerland

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3. purerandomness ◴[] No.45047678[source]
In Germany, the search for an underground facility is ongoing. They hope to find a facility somewhere in 2046 [0]

In 2024, the cost for storing nuclear waste just up until 2100 was estimated to be 170 Bln. [1]

This cost is always, without exception, excluded in the calculation of the cost of generating a MWh. It's externalized, paid for by the next generations of taxpayers.

Gösgen's open data, just like all the other data, does not include waste management cost.

Gösgen is a perfect example for how brittle and outdated the technology is. The nuclear plant is off the grid since May 2025 and will remain down until at least February 2026 [2]

Just like the newly-built Flamanville 3 (12 years late, 10+Bln over budget), it's off the grid until further notice. [3]

The world is phasing out nuclear.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland

[1] https://www.zeit.de/wissen/2024-08/atommuell-endlager-suche-...

[2] https://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/inhalt.akw-faellt-aus-ker...

[3] https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c...

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4. Moldoteck ◴[] No.45069084{3}[source]
1- no, it's not ongoing but stalled. Last year almost a billion was spent for searching. Can you pinpoint where the money went?

2- It's covered by kenfo, auto reinvested fund paid by operators. It has about 24bn. In comparison Onkalo in Finland did cost 1bn to build. A similar repository is built in Sweden in Fosmark

3- Goesgen data does include the tax for both waste handling and decommissioning, didn't you read the data?

4- you don't seem to understand why Goesgen is offline. It's not about being brittle. They installed new equipment that performed too good and they need to upgrade other connected components

5- Flamanville did cost merely ~a single year of German EEG subsidies for renewables

6- 2024 was record TWh from nuclear, for like, ever. It'll grow more, mostly due to Asia unless Hitachi/Whous/EDF will do something