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flanked-evergl[dead post] ◴[] No.45037789[source]
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1. brazzy ◴[] No.45037989[source]
Nuclear is an outdated, unsafe, inefficient technology of the past. Let it go.
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2. flanked-evergl ◴[] No.45038047[source]
False on every count. While our government piss away our money on wind, industry is building modular reactors, which will make energy so cheap and accessible that our corrupt cronies that call themselves politicians will have no choice but to adopt it.
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3. Moldoteck ◴[] No.45038137[source]
It's the youngest invention, pretty safe per twh and pretty nice at generating tons of power with small footprint
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4. defrost ◴[] No.45038159[source]
What's the actual hard time line and price on when, say, Australia can order 20 modular reactors and have them delivered and online?

In the meantime how many GWh of wind, solar, and battery storage can they install without waiting?

A recent detailed CSIRO report on exactly this considered nuclear modular reactors to be a dud option that kicked the can down the road while continuing a reliance on fossil fuel for power generation.

Renewables were judged the pragmatic best bang for the buck in a multi decade near timeframe.

5. purerandomness ◴[] No.45038632[source]
It's the most expensive form of energy generation that needs to be subsidized by governments forever and ever, due to waste management.
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6. Moldoteck ◴[] No.45038709{3}[source]
Waste management is similar to handling forever toxic chemicals waste- bury deep underground. Check out what herfa-neurode facility is.

It's not the most expensive form. Some current builds are expensive, but it generally can provide for very cheap. Check out Goesgen open data for Switzerland

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7. purerandomness ◴[] No.45047678{4}[source]
In Germany, the search for an underground facility is ongoing. They hope to find a facility somewhere in 2046 [0]

In 2024, the cost for storing nuclear waste just up until 2100 was estimated to be 170 Bln. [1]

This cost is always, without exception, excluded in the calculation of the cost of generating a MWh. It's externalized, paid for by the next generations of taxpayers.

Gösgen's open data, just like all the other data, does not include waste management cost.

Gösgen is a perfect example for how brittle and outdated the technology is. The nuclear plant is off the grid since May 2025 and will remain down until at least February 2026 [2]

Just like the newly-built Flamanville 3 (12 years late, 10+Bln over budget), it's off the grid until further notice. [3]

The world is phasing out nuclear.

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland

[1] https://www.zeit.de/wissen/2024-08/atommuell-endlager-suche-...

[2] https://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/inhalt.akw-faellt-aus-ker...

[3] https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c...

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8. Moldoteck ◴[] No.45069084{5}[source]
1- no, it's not ongoing but stalled. Last year almost a billion was spent for searching. Can you pinpoint where the money went?

2- It's covered by kenfo, auto reinvested fund paid by operators. It has about 24bn. In comparison Onkalo in Finland did cost 1bn to build. A similar repository is built in Sweden in Fosmark

3- Goesgen data does include the tax for both waste handling and decommissioning, didn't you read the data?

4- you don't seem to understand why Goesgen is offline. It's not about being brittle. They installed new equipment that performed too good and they need to upgrade other connected components

5- Flamanville did cost merely ~a single year of German EEG subsidies for renewables

6- 2024 was record TWh from nuclear, for like, ever. It'll grow more, mostly due to Asia unless Hitachi/Whous/EDF will do something