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The $25k car is going extinct?

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snovymgodym ◴[] No.44414559[source]
It's pretty simple (in the US, can't speak for elsewhere).

There are 2 big factors at play:

1. Margins. Manufacturers make huge margins on expensive vehicles and very slim margins on cheap vehicles. The numbers differ, but I think even in the lead up to the 2008 crisis automakers had to sell 5-10 "econobox" cars to make the profit they made on one luxury car, SUV, or truck.

2. Normalization of debt. For many Americans, having a monthly car payment in perpetuity is considered acceptable. Car loans have their place and can be used responsibly, but due to marketing, sales tactics, and cultural sensibilities what often ends up happening is that people start from a monthly dollar amount and then work forwards to buy the most expensive vehicle they can, even if it means taking the loan term out to 72 or 84 months. It's also very normal for people to never pay off their car, instead trading in the vehicle after 3-5 years and rolling equity in the loan over to their next car. Obviously, this consumer habit is great for dealers, manufacturers, creditors and buyers of consumer debt, as well as the US Government and investors -- it's just not ideal for the consumers themselves if they're trying to preserve wealth and build savings.

These two factors create an environment increasingly hostile to the cheap entry level car. Consumer demand is low since most don't spend responsibly, and automakers don't really want to make or sell them because the margins are so slim.

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JKCalhoun ◴[] No.44418250[source]
I think the cost of a car is a huge drag on the upward mobility on the lower income earners in the U.S.
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SJC_Hacker ◴[] No.44418448[source]
Because they are buying new and financing it
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JKCalhoun ◴[] No.44419399[source]
New car prices affect used car prices. I've been in the market for a used car for my daughter, and the prices on used are crazy as well.
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BobaFloutist ◴[] No.44419452[source]
I mean what's a 10-year-old Prius in passable condition cost? It can't be that bad, surely?
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bluefirebrand ◴[] No.44419751{3}[source]
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius/2015/

10 grand it seems? That's pretty rough, especially with that mileage

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BobaFloutist ◴[] No.44424837{4}[source]
That's a little steep, but you gotta grade mileage on a curve -- if it's reasonably maintained, it'll keep trucking for a lot longer than that, it should be plenty for a starter car. I mean, I'm biased, since I drive a (very well maintained when I bought it, high mileage) 2007 Prius that I bought for ~7.5k...8, 9 years ago? and I'm still getting ~40mpg and it survived some pretty questionable maintenance and care on my part.

10 grand feels steep, but for a solid car that'll easily last another ten years with minimal maintenance, good fuel economy, I don't know that you can do much better these days, and it doesn't feel unreasonable.

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bluefirebrand ◴[] No.44425834{5}[source]
> I don't know that you can do much better these days, and it doesn't feel unreasonable

It's pretty unreasonable as a class of "starter car" though

I can't imagine many teens working a min wage job for a summer and having a car afterwards if they cost like this

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BobaFloutist ◴[] No.44426537{6}[source]
Oh, sure, I was thinking of a car relatively comfortable parents could get a kid without overspending or spoiling too much, it's not super in reach for a kid working part time.
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bluefirebrand ◴[] No.44430631{7}[source]
Even expecting parents to buy the car for their kid is kinda weird to me really

I had to get my own job and save to buy my own first car. It was 2k

If it had been 10k it would have taken forever to afford on part time minimum wage

My parents definitely did not have a spare 10k laying around to buy me a car. And if a family has more than one child, then what?

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1. BobaFloutist ◴[] No.44434298{8}[source]
Sure, totally. I was perhaps assuming a certain level of affluence from a HN commenter discussing buying a car for their daughter, but it's true that I described a heavily used premium economy car rather than the complete "at-least-it-starts" clunker that represents the actual bottom of the market.