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America’s incarceration rate is in decline

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234 points paulpauper | 13 comments | 25 Jun 25 17:14 UTC | HN request time: 1.511s | source | bottom
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casenmgreen ◴[25 Jun 25 18:01 UTC] No.44380132[source]▶
Freakonomics argued that crime correlates to whether or not abortion is available.

If it is not, crime rates are up, and by a lot.

If it is, crime rates are down.

When you flip from one to the other, takes about 15/20 years for the effect to show up.

Rationale is that forcing parents to have their kids when they're not ready for them significantly increases delinquency in young adults.

This is apparently the only possible theory at the moment. It's not proven, of course, but the other theories which were given have been found lacking. This is the only theory which has some evidence, and hasn't been found to be wrong.

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1. gosub100 ◴[25 Jun 25 18:11 UTC] No.44380242[source]▶
Why abortion and not contraceptives?
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2. wil421 ◴[25 Jun 25 18:15 UTC] No.44380289[source]▶
They probably aren’t using them.
3. iknowstuff ◴[25 Jun 25 18:15 UTC] No.44380290[source]▶
Why not both
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4. y-curious ◴[25 Jun 25 18:27 UTC] No.44380421[source]▶
Women's contraceptives in the states require a prescription. Which requires a doctor's appointment + insurance. If you are poor or live with strict parents (ironically), you are much less likely to seek them out.

Condoms are their own bag of worms. I think there are cultural differences in condom use here, as well as the same problem with them being a cost. This doesn't even touch on men being shady with stealthing and pressure.

On the other hand, the abortion clinic requires only an appointment and a way to get there.

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5. gosub100 ◴[25 Jun 25 19:43 UTC] No.44381175[source]▶
one can be prevented by the other
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6. bdangubic ◴[25 Jun 25 19:48 UTC] No.44381210{3}[source]▶
not prevented… (trust me :)) but best we can do!!
7. FuriouslyAdrift ◴[25 Jun 25 19:51 UTC] No.44381233[source]▶
In the 1980s, condoms were "behind the counter" things you had to ask for and suffer the critical eye of the pharmacy worker (at least in small town USA).

It's no wonder we had so many teen pregnancies.

8. wvenable ◴[25 Jun 25 21:51 UTC] No.44382135[source]▶
Maybe people who are bad at pre-planning are also potentially poor parents.
9. nkrisc ◴[25 Jun 25 23:34 UTC] No.44382792{3}[source]▶
No contraceptive method is 100% effective.
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10. gosub100 ◴[25 Jun 25 23:58 UTC] No.44382944{4}[source]▶
hence "can be"
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11. OKRainbowKid ◴[26 Jun 25 06:18 UTC] No.44384663{5}[source]▶
Hence "both".
12. nkrisc ◴[26 Jun 25 11:27 UTC] No.44386310{5}[source]▶
We don’t need airbags because injury can be prevented by seatbelts.
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13. gosub100 ◴[26 Jun 25 16:53 UTC] No.44389124{6}[source]▶
The "don't need" part is a fictitious part you inserted into the argument and not a claim I made.

Injury "can be" prevented by seatbelts, that is a valid claim.