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theshrike79 ◴[] No.43801919[source]
And the worst thing is that Elon could've been a living legend by building/funding colleges and schools focused on the tech his companies need, software development, robotics etc. Or even given out million dollar scholarships for the very top students.

And he still would've been worth over 250 billion easily.

Instead he chose to buy the president and start "optimising" the government with AI.

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le-mark ◴[] No.43802715[source]
Elon has proven to truly be the dumbest smart guy ever. He alienated Tesla’s core customers; tree hugging liberals, and anyone who cares about sustainability. The GOP nor their voters care and never will. I called this Tesla stock crash months ago; did not act on it though.
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skellera ◴[] No.43803884[source]
I think less people care about it politically than you think. Most people I know who have Teslas stand by the product even through Elon’s dumb shit.

I think people care more about their own convenience. There’s nothing else in our market that’s even comparable. People talk a lot of shit and it wasn’t great to start but FSD is on a different level now, especially on newer cars like the new Model Y. Having a car that mostly drives itself is the best purchase I’ve ever made.

It doesn’t seem to be slowing down sales in Seattle. New Model Ys are everywhere here.

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1. isoprophlex ◴[] No.43805198[source]
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2. tessierashpool ◴[] No.43805821[source]
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3. voidspark ◴[] No.43806004{3}[source]
I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc.

Even the ADL released a statement saying that it was obviously not a Nazi salute. People are actually delusional. Extremely childish and idiotic.

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4. lostlogin ◴[] No.43806154{4}[source]
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5. voidspark ◴[] No.43806200{5}[source]
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6. tzs ◴[] No.43808512{4}[source]
> I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc.

No, you did not. You saw a collection of Democrat politicians whose arms at one point were sticking out in the same position that arms stick out at the end of a Nazi salute. This happens all the time. I do it 3 days a week when making breakfast.

What Musk did was start with his arm down, rapidly raise it to his heart, and then forcefully thrust it out to the position usually shows in photographs of Hitler doing the salute. There are videos of Hitler doing that full hand to heart and then thrust gesture that almost exactly match Musk's gesture from start to finish.

When you track down the videos that the purported Democrat examples are taken from you will see that none of them did that. They were doing things like pointing, or waving to a crowd, or gesticulating while they talked, and in the midst of that their arms ended up in that position.

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7. tomhow ◴[] No.43808525{6}[source]
Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

8. tzs ◴[] No.43809678{6}[source]
Watch and learn.

This is what it looks like when you are waving to crowd or gesturing and your arm goes out without it being identical to a Nazi salute: https://x.com/ExposingNV/status/1881647306724049116?t=CGKtg0...

This is what it looks like when what you are doing is exactly like a Nazi salute: https://x.com/BartoSitek/status/1882081868423860315?t=8F0hL-...

If you think these are exactly the same, seek optometrist help.

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9. pirgidb ◴[] No.43810308{7}[source]
Response to GP:

Is your argument really so paper thin that you can't even attempt to defend it? You need to go straight to asserting that those who disagree are delusional? Makes me wonder if you even believe what you're saying or you're just taking comfort in repeating it, like an old yarn.

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11. tomhow ◴[] No.43811568{4}[source]
> What are the odds HN engages in speech censorship on viewpoints it doesn't like?

Funny you should ask but now's not the time to get into it.

Your comment breaches the guidelines.

Particularly this line:

> Get a grip on reality. Elon didn't cause any issues in EU policitcs.

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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12. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43812107{5}[source]
The comment I replied also breached the same rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43805821

Why wasn't it flagged? Thanks for confirming the bias and double standard selective enforcement on HN.

Be snarky against liberal views? Flagged for braking rules. Be snarky against unpopular views? Allowed and often upvoted.

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13. tomhow ◴[] No.43812195{3}[source]
No personal attacks please, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

14. tomhow ◴[] No.43812286{6}[source]
I saw yours first because it was recent, and your earlier comment was the first that started using terms like "crazy" and "mentally deranged". Sure, it's not ok for others to break the guidelines in replies, and I've now responded to the one you pointed out and others. We're not always going to have the time and patience go through a tyrefire of a subthread and scold every single person. Those who start or escalate flamewars need to take more responsibility.

As for bias: I've spent much of the past week and several hours today responding to allegations of bias in the opposite direction. I say to you what I've said to the others: we're not interested in ideology; we're interested in keeping HN a good place for curious conversations.

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15. tomhow ◴[] No.43812328[source]
Please don't comment like this on Hacker News. It breaks the guidelines badly. Please review them and keep to them in future:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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16. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43812560{7}[source]
I think people here lack reading skills.

The term mentally deranged I used was at those committing acts of vandalism and terrorism against innocent people's private property, not against someone in the comments here. This is clear to anyone who can read at 8th grade level.

Am I wrong that such vandals are not mentally 100? Am I breaking HN rules with this assessment?

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17. isoprophlex ◴[] No.43814599[source]
Apologies for my shitty comment; too much doom scrolling and too much crappy 30 year old hiphop. And apologies for writing something that sparked more than a dozen child comments full of divisive crap. Looking back i wasn't really doing the HN comment vibe I'd like to see myself, indeed...
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18. tomhow ◴[] No.43815316{8}[source]
Yes, language like this is against the guidelines, whether or not it’s about people in this community. Also, in this comment you've broken at least one more guideline, and I can see other comments in your recent history that also break the guidelines, notably these:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43476769

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43475596

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43447800

These are just a sample from the past few weeks but there are plenty more that cross the line and have been correctly flagged by the community for breaking the guidelines.

Some particular guidelines for you to pay attention to are:

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

But all the guidelines are important to follow and they apply equally to everyone, no matter their ideological position.

We need you take care to follow them in future if you want to keep commenting on Hacker News.

19. tomhow ◴[] No.43816509{3}[source]
Many thanks for the reply.
20. voidspark ◴[] No.43819078{8}[source]
There is nothing to defend. The National Socialists were defeated 80 years ago. That only exists in their imagination, not in reality. Anyone can go to YouTube and listen to the speech. Not a Nazi rally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43819077

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21. pirgidb ◴[] No.43851420{9}[source]
We've all seen. Other commenters explained in great detail what they saw. You choose to plug your ears and then insist everyone else is crazy. Everything you've brought up here is irrelevant. No one thinks that the Nazis are secretly living on the moon. The defeat of the Nazis is entirely orthogonal to a gesture made in recent history. The Hunger Games is fiction but I can still hold up three fingers if I choose to.
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