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    Animats ◴[] No.43801026[source]
    The US is falling way behind in electric vehicles. If BYD could sell in the US, the US auto industry would be crushed.[1]

    What went wrong is that 1) Tesla never made a low-end vehicle, despite announcements, and 2) all the other US manufacturers treated electric as a premium product, resulting in the overpowered electric Hummer 2 and F-150 pickups with high price tags. The only US electric vehicle with comparable prices in electric and gasoline versions is the Ford Transit.

    BYD says that their strategy for now is to dominate in every country that does not have its own auto industry. Worry about the left-behind countries later.

    BYD did it by 1) getting lithium-iron batteries to be cheaper, safer, and faster-charging, although heavier than lithium-ion, 2) integrating rear wheels, differential, axle, and motor into an "e-axle" unit that's the entire mechanical part of the power train, and 3) building really big auto plants in China.

    Next step is to get solid state batteries into volume production, and build a new factory bigger than San Francisco.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BYD_Auto_vehicles

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    IceHegel ◴[] No.43801545[source]
    I think one of the biggest problems in the United States is the misallocation of ambitious people. The highly educated and ambitious people see finance, government, tech, and corporate executive tracks, as the way to convert their energies into social status.

    Even startups these days seem to be a case of too many chiefs, not enough Indians.

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    jmpman ◴[] No.43801711[source]
    When Elon gets excited about displacing his engineers on a whim with H1Bs, why would any highly educated ambitious person want to work for Tesla?
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    theshrike79 ◴[] No.43801919[source]
    And the worst thing is that Elon could've been a living legend by building/funding colleges and schools focused on the tech his companies need, software development, robotics etc. Or even given out million dollar scholarships for the very top students.

    And he still would've been worth over 250 billion easily.

    Instead he chose to buy the president and start "optimising" the government with AI.

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    1. le-mark ◴[] No.43802715[source]
    Elon has proven to truly be the dumbest smart guy ever. He alienated Tesla’s core customers; tree hugging liberals, and anyone who cares about sustainability. The GOP nor their voters care and never will. I called this Tesla stock crash months ago; did not act on it though.
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    2. rco8786 ◴[] No.43802971[source]
    One interesting thing is that he seems completely unaware that he is the problem. Stepping back from DOGE to focus on Tesla again. He thinks that him getting closer to Tesla will help save the brand, when it's exactly his association with it that caused the damage in the first place.

    The best thing he could do for Tesla would be to step aside.

    > I called this Tesla stock crash months ago

    TSLA is currently up 5% MoM despite really, really horrible earnings and outlook. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent sometimes.

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    3. klntsky ◴[] No.43803032[source]
    I don't think stock prices matter as much to him (everybody knows there are lots of expectations baked in the price).
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    4. rco8786 ◴[] No.43803430{3}[source]
    Nor do I, I'm sure he's aware it's propped up on nothing but fumes and vibes. I was just commenting on OP wishing they had shorted TSLA months ago. Easy to say in hindsight, is all.
    5. skellera ◴[] No.43803884[source]
    I think less people care about it politically than you think. Most people I know who have Teslas stand by the product even through Elon’s dumb shit.

    I think people care more about their own convenience. There’s nothing else in our market that’s even comparable. People talk a lot of shit and it wasn’t great to start but FSD is on a different level now, especially on newer cars like the new Model Y. Having a car that mostly drives itself is the best purchase I’ve ever made.

    It doesn’t seem to be slowing down sales in Seattle. New Model Ys are everywhere here.

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    6. gdudeman ◴[] No.43804173[source]
    This anecdote doesn’t match the data.

    It is definitely slowing demand. You can see it in the Q1 numbers and the discounts on vehicles.

    You can ask anyone who buys used EVs in Seattle. There is a glut of Tesla sellers and not many buyers.

    Like it or not, your car says a lot about you. People bought Teslas because they liked what they said and now they are avoiding them because they don’t like it.

    7. toomuchtodo ◴[] No.43804312[source]
    Tesla once again tells its own CEO Elon Musk to knock it off with the politics - https://electrek.co/2025/04/22/tesla-once-again-tells-ceo-el... - April 22nd, 2025

    67% of Americans would not consider buying a Tesla, new poll says - https://electrek.co/2025/03/28/most-americans-would-not-cons... - March 28th, 2025

    Tesla sales fall by 49% in Europe even as the electric vehicle market grows - https://apnews.com/article/tesla-sales-recall-trump-byd-b6f5... - March 25, 2025

    Tesla is done in Germany: 94% say they won’t buy a Tesla car - https://electrek.co/2025/03/14/tesla-is-done-in-germany-94-s... - March 14th, 2025

    Australian Tesla sales plummet as owners rush to distance themselves from Elon Musk -https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/mar/06/australia... - March 6th, 2025

    (own several Teslas, won't buy another)

    8. gosub100 ◴[] No.43804675[source]
    The fact that so many "climate activists" and environmentalists turned on him confirms my suspicion that they didn't think so highly about the earth or climate change in the first place. They care about partisan politics and their tribe more than the planet.
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    9. josv ◴[] No.43805132[source]
    Be wary of confirmation bias. I don’t find it unlikely at all that Tesla owners have sincere environmental goals that could be overshadowed by other concerns. Let’s afford each other the grace of being rational expected utility maximizers.
    10. isoprophlex ◴[] No.43805198[source]
    My dude I'm european and unless you have a "i hate elon too" sticker on your tesla, people gonna cut you off, spit on your car, do nazi salutes at you while you drive. The resale value of these cars tanked hard, and noone is buying new ones.

    Elon had better put a bunch of quarters up his ass, considering how hard he played himself.

    [1] (in dutch) https://www.nu.nl/nujij/6353652/klemgereden-hitlergroeten-en...

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    11. zzzeek ◴[] No.43805549[source]
    He spent hundreds of millions to get Trump elected, so that now the EPA is gutted, the closing of coal plants has been halted, and federal lands are set to be drilled and mined into oblivion. This is what climate activists correctly opposed and continue to oppose in opposing Musk.
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    12. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.43805679{3}[source]
    That's crazy. Where's that?

    Good thing I live in a country where Europeans aren't mentally deranged.

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    13. tessierashpool ◴[] No.43805807[source]
    Having a car that mostly drives itself is the best purchase I’ve ever made.

    ok, you can get that with a Hyundai though.

    higher-quality, too, yet the Tesla costs more.

    14. tessierashpool ◴[] No.43805821{4}[source]
    your question is crazy, dude.

    a lot of Europeans remember the Nazis and didn't like the Nazi salute.

    WW2 was memorable for a lot of people.

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    15. voidspark ◴[] No.43806004{5}[source]
    I recently saw a compilation of Democrat politicians doing the exact same "Nazi salute" over the years. Obama, Hillary, Sanders, AOC, etc.

    Even the ADL released a statement saying that it was obviously not a Nazi salute. People are actually delusional. Extremely childish and idiotic.

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    16. gosub100 ◴[] No.43806130{3}[source]
    He made cars that people actually like, that don't emit any CO2. But he doesn't signal from the right tribe, so everything he's done is worthless.
    17. lostlogin ◴[] No.43806154{6}[source]
    I don’t know what those other were up to, but most wouldn’t call them fascist. The difference is that Elon’s actions and words align.

    He does Nazi things, says Nazi things and funds Nazi things.

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    18. voidspark ◴[] No.43806200{7}[source]
    Seriously delusional. Get psychiatric help. I'm not joking or trolling.