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Pope Francis has died

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haunter ◴[] No.43749471[source]
RIP.

His speech yesterday (he dictated it I guess) was very very political, not on the usual level, felt like a finally "all out" for me.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/do...

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tetris11 ◴[] No.43749561[source]
> I express my closeness to the sufferings of Christians in Palestine and Israel, and to all the Israeli people and the Palestinian people. The growing climate of anti-Semitism throughout the world is worrisome. Yet at the same time, I think of the people of Gaza, and its Christian community in particular, where the terrible conflict continues to cause death and destruction and to create a dramatic and deplorable humanitarian situation. I appeal to the warring parties: call a ceasefire, release the hostages and come to the aid of a starving people that aspires to a future of peace!
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hersko ◴[] No.43752261[source]
Tangentially related: why do so many people call for a ceasefire, when a ceasefire is generally temporary. It wouldn't resolve any of the underlying reasons for the war. He should be calling for surrender.
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kelnos ◴[] No.43753061[source]
Who should surrender, though? At this point in time, if Hamas were to surrender, the Israeli occupation of Gaza would just get worse. That wouldn't be peace, or justice, for people of Gaza. I certainly don't support what Hamas has done, but Israeli rule will probably be pretty brutal for Palestinians.
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robertoandred ◴[] No.43753726[source]
Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for 20 years.
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za3faran ◴[] No.43755165[source]
They literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.
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milesrout[dead post] ◴[] No.43758215[source]
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za3faran ◴[] No.43764747[source]
israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
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milesrout[dead post] ◴[] No.43767228[source]
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shadowgovt ◴[] No.43767641[source]
That's not really been the standard the world holds itself to since World War II.

Yes, aggressors in a just war are expected to care for the civilian population in conquered territory. Starvation as a war weapon against civilians is a war crime.

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-...

In fact, the only place it's currently legal (though generally frowned upon) is in the context of a civil war, and if this is a civil war we're back to asking the question: how does Israel expect to find peace when 9 million citizens are oppressing 5 million with brutal military violence?

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milesrout[dead post] ◴[] No.43768261[source]
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