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Pope Francis has died

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916 points phillipharris | 2 comments | 21 Apr 25 08:00 UTC | HN request time: 1.753s | source
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haunter ◴[21 Apr 25 08:11 UTC] No.43749471[source]▶
RIP.

His speech yesterday (he dictated it I guess) was very very political, not on the usual level, felt like a finally "all out" for me.

https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/do...

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tetris11 ◴[21 Apr 25 08:29 UTC] No.43749561[source]▶
> I express my closeness to the sufferings of Christians in Palestine and Israel, and to all the Israeli people and the Palestinian people. The growing climate of anti-Semitism throughout the world is worrisome. Yet at the same time, I think of the people of Gaza, and its Christian community in particular, where the terrible conflict continues to cause death and destruction and to create a dramatic and deplorable humanitarian situation. I appeal to the warring parties: call a ceasefire, release the hostages and come to the aid of a starving people that aspires to a future of peace!
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hersko ◴[21 Apr 25 14:15 UTC] No.43752261[source]▶
Tangentially related: why do so many people call for a ceasefire, when a ceasefire is generally temporary. It wouldn't resolve any of the underlying reasons for the war. He should be calling for surrender.
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kelnos ◴[21 Apr 25 15:29 UTC] No.43753061[source]▶
Who should surrender, though? At this point in time, if Hamas were to surrender, the Israeli occupation of Gaza would just get worse. That wouldn't be peace, or justice, for people of Gaza. I certainly don't support what Hamas has done, but Israeli rule will probably be pretty brutal for Palestinians.
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robertoandred ◴[21 Apr 25 16:25 UTC] No.43753726[source]▶
Israel hasn't occupied Gaza for 20 years.
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za3faran ◴[21 Apr 25 18:50 UTC] No.43755165[source]▶
They literally control the air, water, electricity, food, internet, everything. They are literally mass starving the Gazans as we speak.
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milesrout[dead post] ◴[22 Apr 25 01:15 UTC] No.43758215[source]▶
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za3faran ◴[22 Apr 25 18:04 UTC] No.43764747[source]▶
israel literally are able to cut off food, water, electricity, internet at their own whim, they're doing it as we speak. They are actively blocking aid and food from going in. Read the news. There are many anti-zionist jews as well speaking up against the atrocities and war crimes israel has been committing for a very long time now.
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milesrout[dead post] ◴[22 Apr 25 23:25 UTC] No.43767228[source]▶
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shadowgovt ◴[23 Apr 25 00:45 UTC] No.43767641[source]▶
That's not really been the standard the world holds itself to since World War II.

Yes, aggressors in a just war are expected to care for the civilian population in conquered territory. Starvation as a war weapon against civilians is a war crime.

https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2019-11/BSG-WP-...

In fact, the only place it's currently legal (though generally frowned upon) is in the context of a civil war, and if this is a civil war we're back to asking the question: how does Israel expect to find peace when 9 million citizens are oppressing 5 million with brutal military violence?

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2. shadowgovt ◴[23 Apr 25 12:48 UTC] No.43771510[source]▶
Gaza isn't a separate country, the Palestinians are still Israelis in terms of international responsibility and national membership, seeing as how Palestine is not a recognized independent nation.

How do we know this? Because Israel isn't under sanction for the activities they are undertaking that would be considered war crimes if done to another nation.

It is a long-standing civil war that a couple generations of national leadership have failed to find a long-term resolution to. The current resolution of trying to ghetto the Palestinian people into controlled territories ("reservations," if you will, a common strategy used by colonizers to "handle" the native population) doesn't seem to be bearing fruit other than intergenerational violence.