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Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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1210 points jbegley | 12 comments | 11 Apr 25 16:24 UTC | HN request time: 0.895s | source | bottom
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aucisson_masque ◴[11 Apr 25 18:25 UTC] No.43656830[source]▶
I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over....

Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class.

you end up with most media complying with the official story pushed by government and friends, and most people believing that because no one has the time to fact check everything.

One could argue that the difference with russia is that someone can actually look for real information, but even in russia people have access to vpn to bypass the censorship.

Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Since everyone goes on mainstream media and they enforce the government narrative, you can't speak there. you are merely allowed to speak out in your little corner out of reach to anyone, and even then since most people believe the government propaganda, your arguments won't be heard at all.

The more i think about it, the less difference i see.

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Braxton1980 ◴[12 Apr 25 02:25 UTC] No.43660757[source]▶
>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way.

Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel.

I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule against the current admin.

What makes this possible to either the level of Russia or the US is how much the supporters of the regime want it. This is regardless of morality, legality, or the precedent it sets.

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1. mlindner ◴[12 Apr 25 09:22 UTC] No.43662791[source]▶
> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel.

You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with.

No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a disqualifying position in US immigration law. You'll get your visa denied, or even your entry denied for holding such positions, let alone maintaining an active student visa or permanent resident visa. That has always been the case and simply enforcing laws already on the books does not change that.

> What makes this possible to either the level of Russia or the US is how much the supporters of the regime want it. This is regardless of morality, legality, or the precedent it sets.

Equating Russia and the US is an extreme take.

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2. karpatic ◴[12 Apr 25 14:52 UTC] No.43664902[source]▶
A judge gave the green light on deportationn just yesterday.
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3. ceejayoz ◴[12 Apr 25 14:57 UTC] No.43664950{3}[source]▶
Immigration judges are "administrative judges" and work for the executive (i.e. Trump), not an independent branch.

It'll be appealed to a Federal court now.

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4. karpatic ◴[12 Apr 25 15:20 UTC] No.43665151{4}[source]▶
Mhmm! Thanks for adding context.
5. bjourne ◴[12 Apr 25 15:22 UTC] No.43665169[source]▶
> No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations,

Has it deported anyone voicing support for the Israeli Defense Forces or any of the other Jewish supremacist terrorist organizations currently terrorizing Palestinians? Regardless, your claim that Khalil would have offered material support or even voiced support for a terrorist organization is baseless. Not that it matters either because saying "I love Hamas" is free speech and covered under the First Amendment.

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6. immibis ◴[12 Apr 25 17:33 UTC] No.43666386[source]▶
> Opposing the support for another foreign nation's genocide is not a support of terrorism?

It is in Germany and also in the USA. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the government on this point or not, because the government are the ones with the legal right to lock you up.

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7. wqaatwt ◴[12 Apr 25 21:07 UTC] No.43667947[source]▶
> Equating Russia and the US is an extreme take.

Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two?

I mean.. Putin wasn’t that bad in the early 2000s, nazis or fascists weren’t that awful in the 20s or 30s either (in relative terms compared to everyone else at the time) either. Waiting until its too late do change anything is maybe not the smartest thing, though..

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8. ImPostingOnHN ◴[13 Apr 25 04:11 UTC] No.43670020{3}[source]▶
it isn't, but the government in one of those countries has demonstrated a desire and willingness to arrest people on arbitrary pretexts and make them suffer while they try to free themselves from a kafkaesque nightmare regardless of what is true or legal

please don't falsely conflate opposition to the ongoing genocide of palestinians, with support for hamas

9. mrgoldenbrown ◴[14 Apr 25 02:48 UTC] No.43677637[source]▶
Öztürk had her visa secretly revoked because she coauthored an oped suggesting her college divest from Israel. She did not write an op-ed supporting a terrorist group.
10. mlindner ◴[18 Apr 25 07:10 UTC] No.43725751[source]▶
Israeli Defense Forces is not a designated terrorist organization. If you can name any Jewish supremacy designated terrorist organizations then yeah anyone supporting those should be deported too.
11. mlindner ◴[18 Apr 25 07:11 UTC] No.43725754[source]▶
> Perhaps currently. How long do you think we should wait until we can start doing that? At the current pace probably a year or two?

I think you should stop letting the propaganda get to you and take a step back and look at things from a rational perspective. I'd bet over 50% of the things that you think happened in this administration did not in fact happen.

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12. wqaatwt ◴[19 Apr 25 07:44 UTC] No.43734890{3}[source]▶
> I'd bet over 50% of the things that you think happened

How and why would that change anything in any way? From a rational perspective 5% of those things are way too much already. Much less even...

In a rational and sane world Trump would have been impeached and possibly imprisoned just over his government funded golf trips that he is using to funnel millions of tax payer money to his own businesses. Just running a car dealership on the white house lawn should have resulted in impeachment. Yet these are the tiniest most insignificant things compared to everything else he is doing.

In our unfortunate reality paying him several hundred millions to just do nothing but play golf for 4 years would seem like an exceptionally good deal..

I mean your argument is basically “well he’s extremely horrible but at least he doesn’t eat babies, so shut up..”