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mjevans ◴[] No.43656889[source]
I think my country (USA) would be healthier if a common sense viewpoint was selected and held.

Conflicts are always terrible, and the Eurasia / Africa region countries are particularly brutal.

Every citizen of every country has a human right (in a civilized civilization / society) to live a life that does not involve violence. A life where they are not worried about RPGs, bombings, (etc,) or military invasions.

Some sources of conflict involve places which various (different) religions hold as sacred / holy. Those sites should become UN world heritage locations and be managed by the UN in ways that only allow non-military peaceful access for any who want to visit.

With respect to Gaza my personal opinion remains unchanged. Both an innocent civilian people who suffer, and a terrorist government, remain in that region. The civilians should be evacuated. The terrorists who remain after (or whom are caught and found guilty in a trial) should be purged. The country should then be cleaned up, rebuilt, and returned to the innocent people along with a training-wheels UN supported government that brings stability, peace, and prevents a resurgence of hate and terrorism. In a few generations the country can grow more stable and graduate from the guided government structure.

That would be not just a two state solution, but a two states and global peace sites solution.

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thot_experiment ◴[] No.43656982[source]
this is grossly misunderstanding the situation in Gaza, a two state solution was never acceptable to Israel, Hamas as it exists today is a result of Netanyahu policy. Israel created the monster to justify their genocide.
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1. mupuff1234 ◴[] No.43657661[source]
Except Hamas took over Gaza in 2006/7 more or less in it's current form, before Netanyahu came back into power at 2009.

Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch.

Sure Netanyahu didn't exactly help to see the least, but saying he is somehow solely responsible for Hamas is pretty biased.

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2. tdeck ◴[] No.43658162[source]
> executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over gaza

Was this before or after Fatah lost an election and then refused to step down, instead staging a violent coup?

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3. mupuff1234 ◴[] No.43658263[source]
Are you actually trying to defend the execution of prisoners?

And that's putting aside whether what you said is right or wrong (which I'm sure you'll get very different answers from each side)

4. basisword ◴[] No.43658664[source]
>> Hamas has always been an extreme organization, they executed a bunch of Fatah members by throwing them off buildings when they took over Gaza, not exactly a fun loving bunch.

Agreed. And Israel have annihilated over 50,000 Gazans. Not exactly a fun loving bunch.

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5. mupuff1234 ◴[] No.43659390[source]
I didn't say I agree with what Israel is doing so I'm not sure what the point of your comment is.

The truth is that there are zealots on both sides.

6. sfx77 ◴[] No.43664126[source]
saying he is somehow solely responsible for Hamas is more than bias it's propaganda and lies. On the one hand people will defend Hamas and claim Israel is the aggressor and in the same sentence damn them while still blaming Israel. What kind of s#$% is that?