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    How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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    689 points taubek | 11 comments | 09 Apr 25 12:58 UTC | HN request time: 1.203s | source | bottom
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    rayiner ◴[09 Apr 25 14:52 UTC] No.43632822[source]▶
    Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries.

    We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but four times bigger. Is that a world where “Designed by Apple in California, Made in China” still makes sense? What will be America’s competitive edge in that scenario?

    What seems most likely to me in the future is that the US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now. Dominating finance and services won’t mean anything when both the IP and the physical products are being produced somewhere else.

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    bboygravity ◴[09 Apr 25 18:30 UTC] No.43635637[source]▶
    Except that that future of a big powerful China doesn't exist. Their birth-rate is 1.

    Game-over.

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    Izikiel43 ◴[09 Apr 25 18:40 UTC] No.43635806[source]▶
    The USA is also below replacement levels.
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    1. philg_jr ◴[09 Apr 25 19:14 UTC] No.43636409[source]▶
    Not with immigration.
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    2. eagleislandsong ◴[09 Apr 25 19:57 UTC] No.43637059[source]▶
    Immigration will take a nosedive under Trump.
    3. peterfirefly ◴[09 Apr 25 20:36 UTC] No.43637644[source]▶
    That's not necessarily a good thing. Do the New Americans want the same things as the pre-existing ones? Are they as capable? Not just "in a few generations" but here and now? Are they even likely to be as capable "in a few generations"?

    If the statistics aren't very wrong, it doesn't seem like a solution.

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    4. ezst ◴[09 Apr 25 21:04 UTC] No.43637974[source]▶
    Don't worry, Republicans are hard at work making the USA a pariah state and turning away the educated migrants who've been behind most of the innovation and research of past decades.
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    5. marxplank ◴[09 Apr 25 21:13 UTC] No.43638064[source]▶
    Indian Americans make the most money in America, I’m sure immigrants can be capable
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    6. slt2021 ◴[09 Apr 25 21:23 UTC] No.43638157[source]▶
    Immigration is a double edge sword. Sure, it brings highly educated people on the top end, but also less educated at the bottom curve.

    and on balance it changes demographics dramatically, that also shapes US policy in the future. It will be harder for USA to continue to be bloody warmongering machine with Military industrial complex dictating the policy and bombing countries and blowing up civilians around the world.

    7. horns4lyfe ◴[10 Apr 25 02:41 UTC] No.43640130{3}[source]▶
    “Making the most money” isn’t the same as building a society people want to live in
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    8. slt2021 ◴[10 Apr 25 03:01 UTC] No.43640216{4}[source]▶
    by all statistics, it is Americans that make the life in the USA insufferable: corrupt politicians, oligarchs, lobbyists, party leaders, and criminals (the ones that sell drugs and shoot people).

    go to any county/state jail and try to find a single H-1B visa holder there... its all home grown foundational Americans, raised on McDonalds and Coke

    9. spaceman_2020 ◴[10 Apr 25 05:11 UTC] No.43640831[source]▶
    Immigration isn’t risk free

    You get your birth rates up, but you also risk alienating your native born population and electing far right morons into office

    Jury’s out on whether a tfr of 1.0 of native born people is better than a tfr of 1.4 with immigrants

    10. vixen99 ◴[10 Apr 25 14:22 UTC] No.43644081[source]▶
    What, non-migrant Americans are not up to it?
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    11. unethical_ban ◴[10 Apr 25 23:59 UTC] No.43649095{3}[source]▶
    The US has benefited quite a bit by being a magnet for some of the most educated and driven people from around the world. This is not a controversial take.

    Now, legal resident noncitizens are being deported for having political views that oppose the ruling executive party. This is not normal in the US.