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kvdveer ◴[] No.43599992[source]
As long as a substantial number of christians consider Israel a divine-ordained country, there will not be any repercussions for any crime they commit.

The Bible contains literal instructions for genocide, and many Christians bemoan anci nt Israel for not following those instructions to the letter.

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like_any_other ◴[] No.43600099[source]
Only 8% of Americans have a positive impression of Zionism [1]. Whatever is driving US support for Israel, it's not the will of the people.

[1] Figure 2, "What is your impression of Zionism?", https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-do-americans-feel-abo...

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nailer ◴[] No.43601716[source]
Herzl’s zionism is simply a belief that Jewish people should buy land and live in their ancestral homeland.

He wasn’t orthodox, didn’t believe God promised anything to anyone, didn’t speak Hebrew, but after the Dreyfuss affair (usual racist fake accusation BS) started to petition Rothschild (he was denied) and then other wealthier Jewish people with more success to start buying sand dunes and swamplands for Jewish families to return to Israel.

Herzl is definitely worth either reading or just studying for HN, the books are short and to the point, they dispel a lot of myths one gets from the media, and starting a country is a fairly ambitious project worth studying for any founder.

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1. volleyball ◴[] No.43609520[source]
>Herzl’s zionism is simply a belief that Jewish people should buy land and live in their ancestral homeland.

Right...

"We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country ... The removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." - diaryentry from Herzl's diary 1895

> He wasn’t orthodox, didn’t believe God promised anything to anyone

Back then, most of the Orthodox were anti-zionists.

I dont know why you brought up Herzl anyway, since he died in 1905 and was not as representative of the modern state of Israel as compared to its other founders like David Ben-Gurion, David Ben-Gurion, and Yitzhak Shamir.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/oct/03/israel1